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But as others do, you're defending her like I'm trying to downplay her success, it's like you also see this as some kind of attack on her, when it's not.
None of you can seem to look at this objectively and detach your emotional feelings from any kind of discussion about her, that dares to not be wholly positive and complimentary.
Perhaps a sign nobody agrees with you is a sign you are in fact incorrect and it is you who can't detatch your emotional feelings, and can't dare entertain a conversation that isn't wholly negative and pessimistic.
Actually, people agreed with Martin before this became a negative, personal discussion. I think we all get the point that TS is doing absolutely brilliantly, probably catching Madonna in the near future, but streaming is a different way of measuring than physical sales, so let's move on, right?
"None of you can seem to look at this objectively and detach your emotional feelings from any kind of discussion about her"
Right, as opposed to you using rigorously objective facts such as "I feel like Madonna was so much bigger than Taylor because my parents knew about Madonna iirc". Who would've thought someone would receive any sort of backlash for (repeatedly) posting this kind of stuff in a Taylor Swift thread?
(my guess is you knew it would)
As usual, just focusing and taking one bit of info or line and trying to make out my whole reasoning is based on that one line.
I see it more as avid Taylor fans not agreeing with me, actually I see it as avid Taylor fans just arguing with me because they lack objectivity on her and obviously can't bear to see anything written about her that, as said, doesn't show her in a positive light.
I've said on numerous occasions how insanely successful and popular she is and also that she may indeed catch Madonna, that doesn't sound like someone being negative, pessimistic, overly emotional or incorrect.
I made two points which I still believe to be true, that her music, despite this insane popularity, still flies under the radar for a lot people, especially older people, who have no interest in her music or career and that Madonna seemed to penetrate through to wider demographic in the 80s. Neither of my points do I think are negative, pessimistic, incorrect or emotional, I feel they are logical, rational and objective.
Well, let's be honest, I've admitted to her insane popularity and success and that she may catch Madonna, that's obviously not what some delusional would admit or even see, is it?
How is it a narrative? Do you honestly believe that everyone, everywhere regardless of race, age, etc knows about her and her music? It's a perfectly reasonable point that she doesn't appeal to everyone and that lot's of people, do not know about her or her music. It's also a perfectly reasonable assumption to assume that Madonna/her music did manage to penetrate a wider age demographic back in the 80s than Taylors does now.
If anything, it is you Taylor fans who cannot or do not want to see or even entertain reason.
“I assume you are questioning how anyone doesn’t know the Taylor tracks I mentioned?” i get that the older the public is, the less in touch they are with the current music scene, but discrediting blank space like that goes way too far. if you haven’t listened at least 3 seconds of it in a tv show that’s pretty much your problem; blank space is a stupidly big hit that even surged to the charts for a second time due to its longevity. blank space is quite inescapable, and maybe you just heard it once or something like that, but putting it as an non-biased example of songs that people do not know by sound and just by name is absolutely ridiculous. even if we ignore its overwhelming success on digital platforms and i base my affirmation on feelings, to talk with someone who doesn’t know/listened to blank space i’d need to go talk to my 87 year old grandpa (i live in ecuador and not in an anglophone country btw).
Who is this new Chartmasters Twitter admin? They're acting very unprofessionally, insulting Katy's sales and saying things that Swifties want to hear. Has a Swiftie infiltrated the account? Look into this please.
Mariah Carey : Q1 2024
Celine Dion : Q4 2024
Madonna : 2027-2028
That's my prediction when she surpasses those artists. I don't think Christmas season will help Mariah keeping the gap that long. Regarding Madonna, she needs her biopic to be as successful as Bohemian Rhapsody to boost her discography but then again that will only buy her some times because I strongly believe that Taylor will eventually surpass her at the end.
I disagree :
Mariah - November-December 2023
Celine - August-September 2024
Madonna -Q4 2026 - Q2 2027 .
It's not her fanbase, it's the UK general public, people over the age of 18. Many of whom would not have witnessed her in her prime or even the majority of her more successful years. It was also to show that Taylor is not hugely popular amongst older demographics (72nd), which was to do with my original point, that despite her insane success, her music is obviously not filtering through to a lot of people and on the back of many fans being incredulous at the fact, that not everyone knew about her and her music.
It's not about caring, it's about the fact that nowadays unless you follow artists, read certain sites, subscribe to specific stuff etc or obviously it seems live in the US, her life, her dating, her scandals, even her music, does not filter through to lots of people, in the way I feel Madonnas did, mainly due to the limited nature of media options and platforms back in the 80s and how people of all ages shared these limited outlets for their news on current affairs, sport, entertainment etc. It also clearly appears that her level of saturation is and has been way different and far greater in the US, than what it is or has been in the UK.
But my points were not about her numbers or the relative success of either artist, so continually feeling the need to highlight them in response to my points, just seems unneeded.
I'm being aggressive lol, ever listened to yourself and the way you respond to people who see things differently to you? All your posts to such people seem to be littered with disdain, aggression and childlike replies like "Deal with it, do u need tissues, what r even smoking?" Sounds like a case of, pot calling the kettle black, to me.
