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This is such an interesting take. There is no denying Taylor lacked behind her peers in the early 2010s in the UK, but her dominance there is immense. Of the 690 or so days Spotify has published daily artist charts by country, Taylor has topped the UK for 374, and Ireland for 509.
Frankly, we are beyond the level of 'successful in the UK' and more into a dominating the UK music industry levels
We will. What I think is so peculiar though is how you take every logical thing I say and respond with remarks intended to be hurtful and derogatory.
I mean throughout you've called me irrational, you've said all my posts are crap, a lovestruck fool, a fanboy (which is clearly derogatory to you).
Very professional as a representative of the staff of this website.
Like I said, you can spend the rest of your life claiming she's not that popular. The reality is completely different
I never once claimed that she's not popular, I know she's hugely popular, easily the most popular artist around at the moment. My contention always was, that despite her huge popularity she still seems to go completely under the radar of some demographics and in a way that I felt Madonna didn't so much in the 80s. I also feel that those Yougov statistics that Analord loves to highlight, also kind of back this up, given that even now Madonna has a higher fame rating than Taylor.
And let's be honest, Nick and I were having a well mannered and enjoyable conversation, which had started with Madonna and Taylor, but had vered of to discussing streaming v physical consumptions and issues with it, before Tommy decided to interject and change the tone completely and hence start this bad mannered conversation.
And with regards to your point Tommy about topping the UK spotify charts for so long, surely older demographics have not taken to streaming in general
quite the way the younger generations have, so it's not really them driving her to the top of the UK chart for so long.
Tom, I'm not disputing how successful she is at moment or has been for a while now. I also appreciate how outstandingly well she is doing physically, compared to everyone else and given how low physical sales are now but as said, I was never questioning her success, more that despite this huge success, she still flies under the radar for a lot of people and certainly a lot of older people, who are not that interested in her or her music.
I forgot older people don't consume music. Thank you for this enlightening take.
No worries Tommy boy, always a pleasure to help you youngsters out and set you straight. Although, I have to question your reading ability and comprehension of English, as I can't find the bit where I said that older people do not consume music.
It's just common sense Martin. She dominates streaming and it's older people don't stream, she dominates pure sales and it's 'she flies under the radar of older demographics'. If she dominates every metric how does her music not penetrate to older generations of people, surely old people DO consume music. For someone who puts so much time and effort into understanding music consumption you come across extremely out of touch with consumption in your home country.
And again Tommy boy, I didn't say that, it's you that's inferring that and twisting what I did actually say. I guess you do struggle with comprehension.
Again with the personal attacks from an editor on this website.
Your lack of professionalism is shocking to me. All you've done is try and reduce and diminish other perspectives in a way that resembles a playground bully.
Really shocking stuff from chartmasters.
Well, it does become rather boring when I'm making one point and you seem to be arguing with me, about another.
Going back to the YouGov rankings and analysis, here are the UK's popularity rankings for older people!
https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/entertainment/popularity/all-time-music-artists/all
BABY BOOMERS (1946-1964) (59-77)
1st: Queen (92%)
2nd: ABBA (90%)
3rd: The Beatles (88%)
534th: Taylor Swift (37%)
GENERATION X (1965-1980) (43-58)
1st: Freddie Mercury (89%)
2nd: Queen (84%)
3rd: ABBA (80%)
180th: Taylor Swift (55%)
MILLENNIALS (1981-1996) (27-42)
1st: Freddie Mercury (77%)
2nd: Queen (75%)
3rd: Lady Gaga (75%)
12th: Taylor Swift (68%)
Thank god we are choosing to use surveys and not actual physical real sales numbers, I nearly forgot chartmasters and the CSPC methodology was entirely survey based.
This entire argument is especially moronic because there is literally no way to compare Madonna's surveyed popularity across generations at the time vs. Taylor's now. For all you know Madonna could have been completely unknown to traditionalists/silent gen and pre traditionalists.
So if you're so keen on surveys as a means to measure popularity why do you even contribute to this website if it's clearly a methodology you don't believe in?
Well, it wasn't an argument at all, until you showed up and interjected and turned it into one. It was a pleasant conversation between Nick and myself about a few different things.
I posted the above because it gives an insight into how different age demographics feel about Taylor, something we do not get from her streaming or physical numbers and helps to show how popular she is amongst older generations, which in case you've forgotten, is relevant to one of the points I was making, about her flying under the radar for a lot of people from older generations.
The fact that she is not even in the Top 10 for Millennials, who would have been at oldest 25 and at youngest 10, when she arrived on the scene, would intimate to me that it is Gen Z/Gen Alpha that are mostly behind her outstanding success and that it is not unfathomable that her music could be largely unknown to a large percentage of older generations, despite this outstanding success.
Who knew that old people prefer old music to recent music...
In the previous discussion your argument was that you're "well aware of many songs" by her contemporaries like Rihanna and Katy Perry but you only know one Taylor song, so let's look at their popularity with those gens:
Boomers
Taylor 37%
Rihanna 39%
Katy 44%
Gen X
Taylor 55%
Rihanna 45%
Katy 52%
Millennials
Taylor 68%
Rihanna 70%
Katy 52%
Interesting that Taylor is more popular overall, it's almost as if your personal experience and feeling isn't representative at all of reality, could this be possible?
