Hi Guillaume,

Yes, it does infer that her average is the greatest of all time. History making, IMO refers to someone doing something for the first time, achieving the highest total ever, most points ever, fastest ever etc.

Aruo is right! I thought they referred to 30 earlier. But 25 is indeed at 232k copies on Saoju while 91k in this article, equalling 41k CSPC.

It seems like its QQ sales weren't included on the site until recently, explaining the big jump.

As far as I'm concerned it's something that made an impact. It isn't necessarily something that hasn't been achieved before.

Yes, it's obviously something that made an impact but it almost always, implicitly infers, to being the first or the greatest etc.

Say in football, Celtic made a history making, seasons points total of 110, in 2005 and a few years later in 2020, Rangers managed to get 109pts. Now the Rangers tally is the 2nd highest seasons points total ever, but IMO its not history making, only the Celtic one is.

Of course, to be historical something has to be unique or exceptional, that's why it's remembered... I think MJD has a taste for hyperbole, I remember him saying MJ is "like a God in France" or something 😆

That’s not hyperbole if you look at his numbers

You clearly have no idea what hyperbole means... By the way, MJ sold twice more albums in the UK than in France.

And you clearly have no idea what the global heat map method means. Aren’t you on this site a lot? You should understand these things instead of making up stuff to fit your agendas

Why on earth are you talking about the "global heat map method" ? 😆 And what am I "making up" exactly ?

Do you understand that certain artists are more relevant in some music markets than others? Did you know there are regions that have music markets which vary in value so if an artist has more total sells in a more valuable music market than a less valuable one that doesn’t mean the artist is bigger there? You don’t know much do you?

I see, so MJ is bigger in France than in the UK even though he sold twice more albums in the UK... Cool.

Just to be sure, you don't actually believe French people are worshipping him, right ? That's what hyperbole means, "an exaggerated statement not meant to be taken literally".

Actually yea, unfortunately people worship celebrities all the time now. I don’t know if you’ve been extremely sheltered in life but there are statues and murals of these artists all over the planet and millions of people defending their name from anyone who blaspheme them. Also before digital and streaming, the value of a music market relied totally on physical sales in which the UK had much more physical shipments than a country like France. Maybe you just never understood the concept of ratios and proportions and that’s okay

I think you are being too generous in your assessment of 30, the album was a complete flop compared to expectations and investments. There were projections on monuments all over the world and multiple primetime TV specials around the world. The audience that bought 21 and 25 in droves did not return for this album, and the streaming was underwhelming showing they did not transition to that format. In fact 21 is already outstreaming 30 proving that it came and went. It will struggle to the 7-8M range when it should've been an easy 10m+ seller.

Plus the streams seems to keep collapsing each week, the album still hasn't fully stabilized, a really bad sign

Hi Togetic!

I suppose it goes with the years, some years ago I would have call it a huge flop. From an industry point of view, it is. It was overshipped, and they most likely lost a lot of money with it. By now I prefer looking at it from a public perspective, and I know that convincing millions of people to put money into your project is no easy feat.