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and thank god bc her music was not diluted candy pop - they were projects by 3 peeps for 5 albums in a row (well AFU added rock wilder for some extra bass) and were intricate, boundary pushing. u think she couldn't do 25 escapades in her soprano voice and produce double the hits? the most innovative never are the biggest, they are just respected forever and shes at that point, much more respected and revered than Celine or even Mariah. if ur talking pure commercial success - im not sure why theres a comparison - Janets music was harder, for 15 years she changed up her sound and look all the time - those 20-25 singles id say 18 are all completely different sounding. once an artist like her takes the risks, paves the way for others to dilute and go huge for mainstream audiences. think the way dumb action movies make tons in china and comedy/satire doesn't? bc its easily digestible. so the question you all should be asking yourselves - with her "weak" ass sales, why the hell was she so acclaimed and yes, her name is famous around the world. and why was she paid so much? how did she manage to out earn all them biggies per project? dance music is dime a dozen esp in Europe so why was she special? and still so respected? Mariah had huge pipes. but Janet - black dance r&b artist who maintained a very keen eye on her blackness while also being appealing to mass. until she upset the white folk in the USA.
Rofl Britney and beyonce has surpassed her as dance artists long ago. Madonna at Janets age had pulled stick sweety , mdna tour. Janet in her 50s has nowhere near the tourig power of Madonna in her 50s. Better touring act? Lmao. I am not even factoring inflation here btw!
one question: does this account for BMG and club sales as those were specifically never counted in other formatted tallies? I know in the 90searly aughts she had several millions related to the clubs..
no, as a technical dancer this is obvious and she can out dance most people half her age, now as recently as 2019 and 2017/2018. Britney cannot dance anymore and madonna cant either. and ive been to all their last shows + Vegas for brit. im talking a 2 hour dance set. did u go to Brooklyn for Madge's last show? she didnt dance. a little bit but she was wobbly. she has entered more performance. im talking stamina 2 hours of super human ability. get ur shit together. now ur arguing the most basic thing everyone would agree to incl Beyonce and Britney.
im not talking elaborate, mega productions stage shows with huge ridiculous sets ala Madge, u DONT GO TO JANET (now) to see others dance and big productions, its her, her back up dancers, the band. and u watch HER. the flick of the wrist, whip of a hair, a finger movement, an eye move, all perfectly - only Jacksons know this - to the beat. its great in last months Janet got so much good press and well, cant say the same about the others!
Thanks to the fanatics! When Janet updated her website years ago, the sales of the albums in the discography section were very similar to the numbers here at Chartmasters, but a flurry of fanatics went to Twitter saying that sales were higher and mostly outdated. The sales were withdrawn and some time later in the news section the inflated sales began to appear.
Unfortunately, the way the site was made at that time did not allow it to be archived on archive.org and the information became lost. Someone who managed to get a print should post it on Ukmix, even if one of her biggest fanatics is there (and on Wikipedia with various profiles to inflate Janet's sales and put her on the same level as Madonna) it would be great to be able to have the sales information again, and in an official way, without inflation.
I find the estimates here for both janet. and The Velvet Rope to be overly conservative. Some totals are reasonable but many major markets are simply too low.
Even in February 1995, media reported the janet. album as a "13 million seller". It's important to note this is before the release of janet.Remixed and her Australian, Asian and European tour. March 1995 also saw the release of final single Whoops Now which was a big radio and sales hit in various markets.
See this news report of Janet arriving in Australia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEK4iQkE1CE&list=PL8J8yEW5Ps5YGlayX3SUr5eQ1-yU77qYk&index=152
Reissues of janet. from this period in Europe also featured a hype sticker stating "Includes The Hit Single: Whoops Now" in addition to some novelty editions so yes, the album was still being shipped everywhere throughout 1995.
And let's look at The Velvet Rope:
In early 1998, Italian media already reported the album sold 150,000 copies and yet the all-time estimate here is 140,000. Janet also received a plaque from EMI/Virgin Music Italy celebrating 150,000 copies sold.
Source: https://www.julienslive.com/lot-details/index/catalog/378/lot/154722?uact=3&aid=378&lid=154534¤t_page=53
If you compare the album's Italy (FIMI) chart-run to Whitney’s “My Love Is Your Love” which you have at 200,000 sales:
The Velvet Rope - (140,000)
(41/1997) 25-21-25-24
RE (48/1997) 29-17-11-14-14-12-13-11-12-12-18-16-13-19-26
= 19 weeks Top 30
My Love Is Your Love - (200,000)
(47/1998) 9-10-10-8-16-20-21-16-22-30
RE (7/1999) 26
= 11 weeks Top 30
So either Whitney’s total is inflated or Janet’s total is deflated. Both albums peaked in the Christmas shopping season, exactly a year apart.
Also in September 1998, Billboard Magazine reported Virgin’s top selling international acts “whose albums have enjoyed huge success in Germany” during the “last 18 months” - mentioned in descending order.
- Spice Girls
- Rolling Stones (700,000 albums)
- The Verve (500,000 albums)
- Janet Jackson
- Genesis (400,000 albums)
- Massive Attack
- Lennie Kravitz
- Smashing Pumpkins
So in those months, The Velvet Rope had sold 400,000 copies in Germany and yet you have it’s all-time total at 375,000. Once again, the total is lower than available official data.
And lastly, there's Japan. The Velvet Rope was certified Platinum by the RIAJ during release month and never again. However, in January 1999, Janet returned to Japan for her Velvet Rope tour leg and received a plaque from Toshiba EMI commemorating 2x Platinum status for 400,000 sales in Japan.
Meanwhile, it’s total sales are listed here as an underwhelming 275,000 copies. It seems likely the album was a consistent seller outside of the Oricon charts and/or heavily imported rather than being the low seller that's represented here.
Hi datajam!
I'll have to contradict most of your message, but I would like to start to thank you for the constructive way in which you wrote your comment.
About press quotes, we can't take them at face value just like that. By experience, they are often grossly rounded, and as the paper used to come out weeks later, label representatives and managers used to take some "advance" on their claims. Put all this together, an album with 280k sales to consumers, 325k shipped to date, 350k ordered, 380k produced, would then be claimed as a 400k-seller. I'm exaggerating the situation, but you got the point. I recently posted Genesis, and you'll see that the concerned album (Calling All Stations), sold 320k to date in Germany, while they listed it at 400k. The Stones' album, Bridges To Babylon, never made it to 3xG (750k), suggesting 700k by 1998 was likely a very favorable rounding. Massive Attack's Mezzanine, listed just below Genesis, took until 1999 (it kept charting until March) to even hit Gold at 250k, same for Lenny Kravitz with 5.
These claims are often presented as "official data", but in this case we do have the ultimate official data, which largely contradict claims from some Janet Jackson's fans about her record sales. These are The Velvet Rope shipped units according to Thorn-EMI year end financial reports:
April 1997-March 1998:
The Velvet Rope - 4.5+ million (note that numbers were rounded to half millions, so this was anything from 4.5 to 4.9 million)
April 1998-March 1999:
The Velvet Rope - 1.6 million (from that year they rounded to nearest 100k)
So by March 1999, the album had shipped from 6.1 to 6.5 million copies. If you start putting claimed numbers for Italy, Germany, Japan, etc, up to that date, along with confirmed numbers for the US, Canada, or the UK, you'll see that it doesn't match.
It doesn't mean that country by country numbers are perfect, in fact we improved many methods since then and I'm sure I can refine some stuff here and there, but global totals listed on this article fit with all available numbers from EMI reports, so what we can't expect is to see her albums gained millions of sales. It would be a switch from one country to another, or from one compilation to another for recent catalog sales, but that's it.
According to the 1999 EMI report:
Garth Brooks’ “Double Live” shipped 6.1M copies April 1998-March 1999.
And yet the album was certified:
12x Platinum US (6,000,000 units) - December 17, 1998
6x Platinum Canada (600,000 units) - February 12, 1999
= 6.6M
So over 500,000 copies were officially "confirmed" which according to that EMI report didn’t exist?
Hi datajam!
In Canada, sales are "doubled" just like in the US, the 6xP certification represents 300,000 units shipped.
Then, while this situation may seem weird in the surface, it's actually a very frequent case of Christmas cash-ins overshipment. The album had shipped 6m in the US by December 17, 1998, but in truth it sold over the counter barely 3.9 million by the end of the year, as scanned by Soundscan. That led to returns, and a net shipment value by March 31, 1999 which was indeed lower than by December 31, 1998!
I know she's not the moment but I'd be curious to see how her numbers evolved since her last update
Considering her relatively low album sales, selling 40 million singles is kind of crazy.
