Understanding: Music Clubs #1 – Janet Jackson, Celine Dion

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3. Clubs-only Albums

There is no more such albums nowadays, but back in the day artists with extensive catalog of songs often had albums issued on direct marketing that were never ever released in standard retailers.

Elvis Presley is a good example of an artist that got various clubs-only albums, some moving large amounts. Even his famous Christmas Album was available only through direct order in 1977 fall after his death. His 1973 Elvis album went 5xPlatinum for 2,5 million sales on the back of mail order alone

4. Exclusive Albums

One of the biggest errors in Club sales estimations consists in assuming large sales on every Club as soon as an album sold well on one of them. The reality is pretty much the opposite as huge sellers on one side have often been so huge very precisely because they weren’t available on other Clubs.

Among examples, we can point out Eminem, a huge seller on BMG Music Club who wasn’t available at Columbia House at all. We will be studying several such cases on following pages.

5. Ads Listing Effect

In 2016 we can see various complains from chart watchers against streaming because popular playlists benefits some songs over others. If that has some impact, one can still create his personal playlist and search for anything he wants. Clubs were largely using magazine advertising, listing a predefined set of albums. A handful of them was highlighted with large pictures, several dozens were listed within’ the page while the rest of the catalog was not displayed at all.

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The point is that consumers had to note the identifier of the album listed in the page inside the order box. In this picture, Police album Synchronicity ID appears to be 320499 for example. Consequently, it was impossible to order an album that wasn’t listed. Only members who were receiving the full catalog accessed IDs of lower profile albums. This created a situation of very unequalled sales depending on how an album was listed, if listed. Of course, both BMG and Columbia used to provide a better showing to albums that were exclusive at their end, increasing even more the gap.

In the very next page, we will study the all-time BMG Top 100 albums to see how much the ad listing effect impacted sales through Clubs.

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djdj

Hi,MJD
I don’t understand how you estimate US sales for FIY.
First,it was not available on Columbia House. When it certified 10xP, SoundScan plus BMG club sales was 10 million, this is perfect. Then, when it certified 11xP, SoundScan plus BMG club sales was 11.5 million, so the certification was late. But it didn’t justify anything, how did you calculate the 700k copies from other clubs or whatever? “This creates a little gap which suggests a few sales achieved outside those two avenues, other music clubs, slightly incorrect Soundscan sales or whatever.”I don’t really understand this.

Martin

I cannot answer you conclusively, as I did not create the article but I can offer you a reasonable answer. The last known Soundscan/Pure sales figure is 10,850,00 from October 2018 https://twitter.com/chartdata/status/1048269090886844417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1048269090886844417&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ukmix.org%2Fshowthread.php%3F33386-Celine-Dion-Charts-amp-Sales-History%2Fpage338, the previous was was from February 2013 of 10,812,000, so not much at all in 5.5 years. The last known BMG figure was from early 2003 of 987,000. BMG closed sometime around June 2009, so there will also be additional sales between early 2003 and it’s closure. I’m guessing they wont be great, as music clubs in general, had been dying a death for many years by time… Read more »

djdj

Hi, Martin
I know that there were lots of other clubs (except BMG club and Columbia House) and grocery and drug stores or whatever can sell a lot of albums in the 90s. Those sales were not included into SoundScan. I just kind of wonder how the 700k figure was calculated. Based on your calculations, it seems like the real figure for the stores or whatever was way more than the calculated 700k. Maybe way more than 1 million or something?…

Martin

Yes, but my answer was not based on an exact science or figures, it was just a loose explanation, to show where those extra shipments could have come from.

We have no real way of knowing how many copies went to onestops, she could have shipped say only 7% of shipped copies to them. As stated it was just to highlight where the extra/missing shipments most likely came from.

Marcelo

Mjd all madonna’s album was in columbia house club sales?
How come to know what album was bmg, or columbia, or both?

GaryHuston

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Marcus André

You really are a master in this. Thank for this wonderful article!

Raffi

Hi MJD! I would like to ask how do you come to the conclusion of Janet Jackson’s Control and Rhythm Nation 1814 selling 7m and 8,1m copies in the US respectively?

The only information we have are SoundScan figures for sales after 1991, their out-of-date certification (5 and 6 times platinum) and their BMG club sales, which are probably already included within their certifications. As a result, can you explain to me how you managed to conclude that they both sold 2m above their certifications?

Thank You!

Fan

Question MJD,

What if their labels are late with their certifications? What if Janet’s albums are certified 6 times platinum with 6.7 million shipped? How can certs determine sales?

borderwolf

Hello! And Happy New Year! I do not want to bore you, but you have an idea of what could have sold Harvest summing Music Club and Military bases?

Gustavo

I wonder if Janet’s catalog will ever be recertified… she is more than 10 platinum behind of what should be… such a shame.

Aurélien

This is a very good article, thank you! As music clubs mainly targeted a 30+ year-old audience, I wouldn’t be surprised if many easy-listening/jazz/classical music/country singers got to sell high amounts of records with those clubs whereas they were not big sellers in traditional record stores (especially at a time when Billboard record charts only ranked the music sold in big cities). Do you have any information about those over-looked artists ?

Luminator

Of course everybody is waiting for a detailed article on Mariah Carey as her album sales via music clubs remain one of the huge mysteries of the chart debate in several music forums. It would be both helpful and a great contribution to the debate if you granted the world an insightful view in Mariah’s history concerning music clubs, especially since she has often been accused of having “fake diamond” albums as both Music Box and Daydream are quite a bit off the 10 million mark on SoundScan. I hope you dedicate her a good bit of your time. I… Read more »

Stephen

Hi MJD, great article. Thanks for explaining this to us. Music club sales have always been so confusing to me but I’m glad you cleared it up.

Do you have music club figures for Britney Spears and Madonna?

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