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You don't have to argue with this, because I said we have different standards. For me,an artist who is hugely and equally popular everywhere is finally called ultimately global (except Africa save South Africa)
It's a tricky case, it would require additional checks. Without getting into detailed data I would guess that Gaga had a higher peak but cumulatively speaking the catalog of Taylor is more valuable.
Well djdj, the Beatles are definitely way more popular in the US / UK than they are in China, India, and Africa. It isn't as if these markets don't matter either as even if they used to not account for much, they add for half of the global population 🙂
U just said that an artist who has 3 times bigger views elsewhere vs the USA means she is ultimately global, in which Taylor does have more than 3 times bigger views worldwide vs the USA. So off course u r wrong and u are just too ego to admit that u r wrong.
According to your own calculations, Gaga sold more than one million albums than Taylor in Asia.
the Beatles are definitely not that global, because they debut in early years, back then, international music wasn't globally known as now. Besides, India and Africa have always been small markets for international music. China is not a small market for international music anymore now. Even physical albums are more collected by stans of any idol (pure musicians sold much less). For example, BTS's new album sold nearly 600k physical copies and nearly 500k digital copies in China.Baekyun's new album sold over 200k physical copies in China. They do not count into Chinese IFPI, because those are physical imports from South Korea, counted into Gaon.
Do you understand what cumulatively speaking means? And furthermore ur talking about album sales alone. If we add in streamings + downloads + streamings its obvious Taylor would beat Gaga or at least be at the same level.
Even if they werent that big in India and China they were big everywhere else. They made it big in all the relevant markets. Their sales in US, UK, Canada,Japan, France, Germany, etc. was bigger than Madonna's sales in these countries. They sold 10 million albums in the Asian non Japan market. For 1960s act that was truly an amazing feat because the non Japan Asian market back then was extremely small and the fact they can sell that much speaks volume of their global appeal. Look at their sales in Latin America. Cumulatively speaking they sold more than 10 million albums there. Again for 1960s standard that was super2 massive. The Beattles were massive basically everywhere.
I do have to repeat again that they are not equally popular everywhere because they debut in early years,when international music wasn't that globally known everywhere. You point about those countries where they are all massive are pointless. Do I say that they are local?No, what I mean is they still were weak in many markets. It is delusional to ignore India and China where has a population of 2.7 billion and has official IFPI counting. I don't know this has anything to do with Madonna, Madonna was even weaker in more markets. I don't get your point. You like to point out someone is XXXX fan this is so boring. I basically like most artists. Stop pointing out someone is XXX fans then always thinking about that when someone is saying something.
I don't think so, because in Japan and South Korea Gaga has much more downloads and ringtones than Taylor.
The point is ur trying to say that they arent global. Yes the market was weak back then for a lot of region. But they sold proportionally bigger in most asian/latin america (relative to market size) market compared to Lady Gaga, Madonna and most other global superstar in the world. What is ur definition of global? U mean a global superstar must have equally proportional sales in every single country/region. Well that is just laughable. If that is the case then Michael Jackson is the only global superstar in history. Wht even pointing out whether Taylor is global or not.
" I don’t know this has anything to do with Madonna, Madonna was even weaker in more markets. I don’t get your point. You like to point out someone is XXXX fan this is so boring."
And btw. U r the first one to started pointed out Lady Gaga on a Taylor Swift comments. If u want to brinf up about XXXX fans or whatever. Have a look at the mirror. Im bringing up about Madonna because there is no way anybody can say Madonna is not a global superstar. The fact that they beat Madonna sales in most region speak volume of their global appeal. And they r probably proportionally bigger globally US/UK.
Japan and South Korea are not the only market in Asia. Taylor is much bigger in China, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, etc. Over the past 1 year Taylor has twice as big as Lady Gaga youtube views in Japan, and she has 6 more million views over Lady Gaga over the past 1 year. So obviously u r wrong but u just too ego to admit. Where do u get ur facts that Lady Gaga has much more downloads and ringtones?
I'm always stating facts, does this have anything to do with that I pointed out Gaga on Taylor comments?I'm just saying my thoughts. I do listen to Taylor, but the truth is although Taylor is the biggest now in Asia, in total she was not that big there. Her album Reputation was only 5xPlatinum in the Philippines, while lots of inteternational albums which released later outsold it. However, she is still unique in many other markets. Still some artists used to have equally popularity in most regions.
Japan and South Korea already dominate downloads and ringtones markets in the whole Asia. For those figures, check Oricon/RIAJ and Gaon, everything is there. Taylor is not much bigger in the Philillines, while both TF and Fearless went 9xPlatinum there. Also for sales in Indonesia or Malaysia, Taylor didn't outsold Gaga. But she does outstreamed Gaga. For physical album sales in China, Taylor yes is actually biggest here, while her 1989 sold over 250k physical copies (it went 5xP=100k before her 1989 toured there, and then it doubled her sales since her 1989 tour, her label also was marketing her very much ad issueing lots of drafts to get known in China since her Reputation era, her popularity finally BOOMed since then) and over 1 million digital copies. Reputation sold well over 100k physical copies and over 1 million digital copies, too. Gaga's TF, TFM and TR combined sold 180k physical copies in China, according to BTW's Chinese physical cover.
And again u choose Reputation which is considerrd a flop for her standards. Ur not stating facts. If u r stating facts u would admit that u r wrong right now. Because based on ur own statement which is
"in my opinion, when she got 3 to 4 times views overseas as in US, I can call her ultimately global."
Taylor did have 3 times bigger overseas views. Just check her results at youtube analytics. Her US views are less than a quarter of her total views.
Why are u talking about TF and Fearless alone? Again for the 20th time. Gaga did have bigger peak. Meaning she was bigger during the TF era. But after that she was kind of a flop. Taylor Swift's consistently sold more after yhe TF, Fearless era. It would be a joke to say that Born This Way, Artpop, Cheek 2 Cheek and Joanne outsold Speak Now, Red, 1989 and Reputation. As everybody has said for like a million times, CUMULATIVELY Taylor is bigger. Which part of that sentence did u not understand? And whatever gain Gaga has made through strong downloads in Japan and Korea. Taylor had already catch up through streaming. Ur opinion suck and it is not based on facts. It is based on cherry picking. Choosing one album to make a comparison while turning a blind eye to their entire compilations is a complete joke.
Reputation isn't a flop, it still remains the second biggest pure album of 2017 and her best-selling album ever in China. Who told you that was a flop era? Besides, Reputation was not her worst selling album in the Philippines, it's one of her best-selling album there. Basically, only Fearless and 1989 outsold Reputation in the Philippines, but still, with just 5xPlatinum. Then, she did have 3 times bigger overseas views, but India and Southeast Asia reprensents a lot. Her top 5 most viewed cities are all from Southeast Asia.
https://chartmasters.org/2018/04/data-collector-top-female-artist-success-ratings/
No, comulatively Taylor is not bigger, while Gaga has 202 ASR, and Taylor has 170 ASR. Then, My opinion was based on facts, because in fact I listen to Taylor more,it is all on my YouTube listening history. Then, in Southeast Asia, streaming was much cheaper than in US or Europe. In Southeast Asia, Spotify has SPOTIFY CHEAP issue, YouTube views from there would make much less money. That's why although Blackpink has about the same views as BTS, they got much less money. I don't think Taylor already catch up. Red was 2xPlaitnum in the Philippines while Born This Way was 3xPlatinum in the Philippines. It is the same to not choose one album to compare.
correcting my fault: only Fearless outsold Reputation in the Philippines, Reputation was 5xPlatinum and 1989 was 4xPlatinum, not bigger.
Those ASR is for global. Im talking about Asian sales. Lol. Cumulatively Taylor sold 3 million albums in Asia vs Gaga 2.7 million. On top of that she has bigger youtube views in Asia. Whether Youtube or Spotify are cheap or not in SEA. Who cares, at the end of the day billions of South East Asians choose youtube to listen to music. And if Taylor has more views, than shes just simply bigger in the streaming department. Ya maybe Gaga has some slight advantage over downloads. But minus here and there she should already catch up perhaps even beating Gaga. And ur not even mentioning the rest of Gaga's catalogue which is a flop, compared to the rest of Taylor's catalogue which isnt a flop in Asia. Up until 1989 she was a top seller. While Gaga has 2 good albums and thats it.
Ok it isnt a flop. But ur statement just proves that cumulatively she was a massive seller. Gaga had 2 good albums and thats it. Amd ur still not responding to me about ur own statement. Regarding this
"in my opinion, when she got 3 to 4 times views overseas as in US, I can call her ultimately global."
According to MJD, Taylor sold 3.09 million albums in Asia, and Gaga sold 4.045 million albums in Asia.
Just checked, Taylor is now at 6.953M. She grew by almost 100K in 2 weeks lol.
