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Thanks for the insightful reply. My initial post was about spotify numbers; I frankly don't care about movie grosses. That's a topic for another forum!
It is doing "fairly well". I didn't say "excellent" or "amazing". My post was about the boost on spotify numbers. This is a music website and that's what I'm interested in. Your attitude is always shit and 90% of your posts are shit.
Wow... OK. I must have pissed you off in the past...
Anyway, you said yourself you "don't care about movie grosses" which might explain why you think the movie is doing "fairly well", anyone who knows a little bit about the subject can see it's not doing well, but you don't care so why am I even answering...
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/analysis-why-did-elvis-underperform-205612420.html
You're welcome @Kris! I'm an Elvis fan myself & had high hopes for the film raising his Spotify numbers as well. But with Doja Cat's "Vegas" performing well, it could lead to increased attention. I read an article after the movie first premiered that stated Elvis' streaming numbers were up 70% over the previous week, but I have not been able to corroborate that (or find it for you).
These articles are interesting:
Here is an article from Billboard: https://www.billboard.com/pro/elvis-business-what-its-worth-graceland-publishing-film/
Or: https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2022/05/25/elvis-presley-rock-and-roll-graceland/
"Biggest" is a bit ambiguous or perhaps along the lines of Analord, they mean artist singular, as oppose to a band.
If you check his last.fm page, it lines up with that 70% increase. I know the monthly listeners stat is tricky if you consider the big picture but Elvis’ increase shows that people who weren’t listening to him before are doing it now.
I also noticed that he’s missing from the Rock Classics playlist on Spotify that has 10.5m followers. In its 200 songs you can find The Beatles, CCR, The Doors, AC/DC and even The Cranberries, Blur and The Killers but no Elvis. The reason is anyone’s guess. Considering how broad that is, I believe if Elvis was there his monthly listeners number would increase at least by a million and a half and would put him on par with Led Zeppelin and U2. In overall stream EAS he’s above them so I think it figures. That playlist adds a lot of listeners to the artists that are included.
He might never hit the heights he used to, but he’s doing amazingly well considering his debut is 70+ years old. His streams are close to those of Fleetwood Mac and The Rolling Stones and bigger than Whitney, Springsteen and Madonna. Absolute legend.
I saw that headline when the movie came out and that was an outlier. Most of the box office experts I checked agreed that it had a good opening. Specially when you consider that the movie was aimed at the demographic that was the most reluctant to come back to the theaters and it’s almost 3 hours long. And the predictions have increased since. They were saying it would struggle to hit 100m, after the opening weekend 120m and now some are saying it might even hit 140m. It’s performing well from Monday to Thursday. Internationally it’s doing good enough and there are some key markets left. At least it will break even and even if it doesn’t it’s going to get very close. So if the choice is between “fairly well “ and “not doing well at all” I’d stick to the former.
But if that was the case MJ is the next biggest recording artist, isn’t he?
"At least it will break even and even if it doesn’t it’s going to get very close."
So you're not even sure it will break even but you think it's doing "fairly well" also ? 😕
Just to be clear, breaking even isn't considered a success, and being profitable isn't necessarily considered a success either, because of opportunity cost, i.e. studios are only greenlighting a certain amount of movies each year so if one of them only makes a $10m profit it'll be considered a waste compared to another project which could have make much more.
I'm not saying Elvis is a huge flop, but it's most certainly not "doing well".
@Kris. Per the Spotify Tool Elvis streaming ran approximately 4 million per day prior to the film's debut.
Over the last week Elvis was streamed 36,704,931 times (5,243,562/day), roughly 31% increase.
The problem is there are SO MANY Elvis tracks the Spotify tool has trouble running the same number on consecutive days, which affects the result.
In response to @baraka92, Elvis is not considered Classic Rock. He is probably closer to Sinatra (whose streaming numbers he TRAILS) than Fleetwood Mac or Led Zeppelin. Sorry, buddy. I don't know if you're in the USA but he is not played on Classic Rock stations.
That seems like a decent increase. I wasn't expecting it to be major.
And ya Elvis doesn't get play on "classic rock" stations that I know of. He's considered more "oldies," which are stations that young people generally don't listen to unless their parents have it on.
My point wasn’t about the term “Classic Rock” as the radio staple. The Spotify playlist doesn’t seem to care about it, since it goes all the way to Sublime, Muse, The Killers, and even the Beastie Boys. IMO Jailhouse Rock or Suspicious Minds wouldn’t feel out of place next to All Day and All of the Night, I Want to Hold Your Hand and Satisfaction, which are all in.
I’m not from the US. Where I live, Elvis is part of oldies stations. Less than before but the same happened to the likes of The Rolling Stones, Eric Clapton, and Stevie Wonder. Because these stations are making room for “newer” bands like Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Oasis, Coldplay and The White Stripes. It’s quite messy but it was bound to happen. It’s fun though.
As for him being above U2, Led Zeppelin and Madonna; and on par with the Stones and Fleetwood Mac; I was referring to total Stream EAS which you can find in the Top Artists- EAS list here on chartmasters:
The Rolling Stones: 7,462,000
Fleetwood Mac: 7,227,000
Elvis Presley - 7,097,000
U2 - 6,722,000
Whitney Houston - 6,276,000
Led Zeppelin - 6,242,000
Madonna - 6,081,000
Bruce Springsteen - 5,078,000
This counts also Youtube where Elvis has strong numbers.
So, after I wrote that most box office experts agree that its performance is good, how the estimates have been growing after its release, and how it’s even more impressive because of its target audience and length, you only replied to a phrase that actually underlines that I believe it’s going to do well. “AT LEAST (AS IN WORST CASE SCENARIO) IT’S GOING TO BREAK EVEN”. For a movie that doesn’t hit all four-quadrants; it’s not a sequel; its subject is more than half a century old; and belongs to a subgenre that is unpredictable at the box office (for every Rocketman and Ray, there’s a Respect, Get on Up, All Eyez on Me or The Doors)… Yeah! I’d say that 124m in 13 days, with a bunch of territories and weeks to go, is at least, fairly good.
The “even if it doesn’t it’s going to get very close” part, was more about the fact that in regards to Elvis there are other sources of revenue. His fans are the kind that buys a lot of physical media, merch and other collectibles. So, if it falls short at the box office, that’s going to help. I believe this film was a bigger risk than many probably thought but at the end of the day it’s going to beneficial for both Warner and the Elvis Presley estate.
Seriously, stop trying to find things just to say “Gotcha!” and then getting all passive aggressive when somebody answers (including moderators). Even if you end up being right, your attitude always changes the energy of the conversation. Almost every comment of yours on chartmasters has negative votes.
Yes, when everything is taken into account, streams, videos, ringtones etc. What Analord is relating to is just albums and singles sales.
There has been quite a transition in what bands/genres are deemed "Classic Rock" in my lifetime.
Back in the 80s it seemed to refer to harder edge rock artists, such as Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Aerosmith, Deep Purple, Whitesnake, Rainbow, Montrose, BOC, Kiss, Thin Lizzy, Rush etc but as time progressed, it's gamut seemed to widen to incorporate softer rock acts such The Eagles and Fleetwood Mac, who never seemed to be thought of as classic rock acts in the 80s. Then as mentioned acts such as GNR and Bon Jovi initially, then acts such as Nirvana, RHCP, Green Day seemed to also become part of the genre.
Albums:
Elvis - 244m
MJ - 235m
EPs:
Elvis - 16m
MJ - 0m
Physical Singles:
Elvis - 135m
MJ - 79m
Digital Singles:
Elvis - 37m
MJ - 80m
Streaming:
Elvis - 7m
MJ - 14m
Home Video:
Elvis - 10m
MJ - 30m
Elvis soundtrack sells quite poorly, compared to e.g Walk the Line, Johnny Cash's biography. This soundtrack sold platinum in US, easily over 2 million copies worldwide.
@Kris ... Here is an interesting article listing the 10 Most-Streamed Tracks on the Elvis soundtrack, per Spotify: https://screenrant.com/elvis-movie-best-songs-ranked/
Elvis is ending its run and its worldwide total is up to $234.3 million. It is the second highest grossing music biopic second only to Bohemian Rhapsody.
And now, Elvis (7,405,000) has surpassed Fleetwood Mac (7,390,000) and is getting closer and closer to the Stones (7,653,000). I didn't put Bon Jovi (7,411,000) in my last comment, but he's going to pass them very soon too.
The movie did great at the box office and has been #1 on digital sales since it became available (will obviously drop to #2 once Top Gun: Maverick hits). Yes, it's nowhere near the levels of Bohemian Rhapsody, but more people (myself included) are realizing that was such a lightning in a bottle thing in terms commercial success (the quality of the movie is another conversation).
Going back to Elvis, there's still its HBO Max release on the horizon and it's Warner's only contender for the awards season. They are going to throw a lot to that campaign and Austin Butler will certainly gather a lot of nominations. All in all, I believe there's still way to go for this Elvis revival.
Now we have to keep an eye on Whitney, the next one to get the biopic treatment.
I hate to quash your enthusiasm but he doesn't seem to get more daily streams than the Stones, and Fleetwood Mac's total is actually 7.45m. He may have already passed Bon Jovi though.
I have to say, I didn't think the movie would've better legs than Bohemian Rhapsody or Rocketman, the older audience being a likely explanation. I guess it did OK in the end, definitely not "great" but hey let's not start this again...
