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It would be wrong to say nobody has "put down" the the validity of streaming.
This is a widely held belief I've seen floating around in the chart community among especially older folks as long as streaming has been a thing. I'm also pretty sure it's somewhat related to the rather low and imo absurd weighting methods applied to keep physical sales relevant on many European charts.
Ofc this goes both ways with (especially younger) people giving way too much weight to downloads and streams too cause it favours their favourite artists' numbers or whatnot. In the end a lot of people just cherry pick whatever method fits their agenda it seems 🙂
I think we agree that streams and album sales aren't the same and thus can never be compared to each other 100% accurately. But isn't the whole point of this site to compare different formats from different eras as fair as possible? Cause I really don't feel like these repeated "what if scenarios" I honestly see way too often lead us to any meaningful places.
Touring isn't something I want to get too much into detail on but surely you can see those all those acts that do best there if not currently were at least hugely successful at one point in the past and have built up a reputation.
Question :
If listening to tracks on an album 1500 times , streaming platform will receive the same money as if buy one physical copy of that album ? 1500 listens = £15 , as for LP ?
No but billboard removes the production budget of a cd. So they factor remaining I thing. Which is right because there is no physical CD. I think
I was meaning specifically on here, where I can't recall anybody denigrating streaming in that manner. Yes, in the wider community, lot's do it. I think in the UK, a big issue some chart forum people have is, the huge increase in tracks being certified and highly certified. They believe it's too easy to get these huge certification totals, at such a rate and so quickly, especially when they were relatively few and far between, in the physical era. .
Yes, I get that's one of the main things of the site but I just feel the two are so different, it sometimes doesn't even make sense to compare them. I also have my various "album" issues, as you and Guillaume both know well lol
Yes, my point was just that a hugely successful tour, is not always indicative of an artists current commercial success.
Yes, I don't think I've seen much of it here, as of recent at least.
I do get this sentiment in regards to certifications being too easy. They objectively are.
Requirements for single certifications should be way way higher now to get the same "prestige" they had back in the day. Single formats including streaming now represent well over 3/4 if not more of units in most markets while this share used to be way way lower in the past as full albums were dominating.
Personally I prefer the Japanese way of certifying streams, downloads, and physical sales separately (at least for singles) to whatever the OCC etc are doing with their "single units". These totals feels so useless and won't even be somewhat comparable to older tracks unless album sales are added to the equation.
As for the tour I think that only applies to older artists since they have a lot of fans (often with more money too). If a newer act is pulling monster numbers then they're getting a lot of sales and/or streams as well. You simply can't do that large tours without huge hits or a huge fanbase, and that applies even more so to acts like Bad Bunny who tours in generally poorer countries than your average US/EU artists.
UVST currently looks like it will keep its title of biggest era of the 2020s. Midnights is its only real threat
What is ArtistRatio for Bad Bunny ? Or any artist ? If we're looking at his streaming data :
All DSPs - 83,498 billion streams
Spotify - 63,525 billion streams
Then : 83,498/63,525=1,3144 . Maybe it is ? I don't understand .
With that Ratio "UVST" must reach 15,255 million EAS on streaming . 1,032 million EAS less then in this article .
I know, I live here lol. But he is popular even with people who don't know a word of Spanish. Which is great.
Hi Denysanatol!
On the surface, his ratio is indeed at 1.31442. It's a bit more complicated overall though. On CSPCs streams combine 4 elements:
(1) Spotify streams
(2) extrapolation of Spotify streams for audio platforms with unknown numbers (say Apple Music)
(3) streams retrieved from other platforms (Genie, Audiomack, etc.) and the platforms they extrapolate themselves (like MelOn)
(4) video streams, which are mostly YouTube x1.1
The 'ArtistRatio' from the streaming tool extrapolates (1) into (1)+(2)+(3). Thus, on CSPCs, we use another ratio, slightly lower, which excludes the share of the extrapolation that represented streams from (3), as these are actually retrieved in full. That doesn't change too much for Bad Bunny obviously as he isn't crushing Asian platforms.
Also, the ArtistRatio used is the one from the lead artist, so we can't really take the total of an artist discography for CSPCs as there are orphan songs as well. For example, for the song I Like It, it uses the artist ratio of Cardi B (1.88346), which is a lot higher than Bad Bunny's.
As for the 1.03 million gap with UVST, I'm not too sure at how you arrived at that number. If we simply use Spotify streams and apply the ratio as it seems you did, then the total would be 14.7b * 1.31442 / 1500 = 12.88 million, which is 3.37 million short of the number shown on his CSPC. This gap is due to the element (4), video streams, as UVST claims a ridiculously massive 16.1 billion views on YouTube, actually more than its Spotify total!
Thank YOU ! I am just used your data that I can see :
(14,678 *10^9*1,31442+663000*2,2*2+372000*68/4)/1500+(16,111*10^9+1828000)/6750=15 255 389,3 EAS .
But now I see that I'm not used Index 1,1 for YouTube and include digital sales .
Now I have 15 494 081,3 EAS . You had 16,244 million EAS . Difference 0,75 million EAS partly is from 2) and 3) , I think .
16.1 * 1.1 / 6750 = 2.62 million, not 3.37?
Also I'm pretty sure the total for UVST was 15.6m or so just a few days ago, and now it's 16.4m...
3,37 is not from YouTube only . Is "Total - Spotify *1,31442/1500" . 15,6 m is according old formula based on number of users of streaming platforms .
