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I see. Sorry I forgot the "we do not have the exact data" part. And I'm not certain if I'm understanding the figures correctly. So, since you're the one who understand the figures completely, is the streaming figures gap between the two songs getting smaller or bigger?
Bigger.
After Christmas 2017, on the 9th January 2018
Wonderwall had been streamed 388m
All I Want... had been streamed 368m
After Christmas 2018, on the 20th January 2018
Wonderwall has been streamed 611m
All I Want... has been streamed 556m
So after approximately one full year, incorporating a full Christmas period, Wonderwall has increased it's lead from 20m to 55m. While Carey is performing miracles with her track each Christmas and this is increasing each Christmas, it's still increasing less than what Wonderwall is over a year, thanks to it's everyday popularity.
To be honest, this is pretty much exactly what I have been saying and estimating since we first started arguing about this. The figures we did have, when analysed and presented, all pointed to this outcome, so it's hardly a surprise (to me at least).
Who knows how it will be in 10 maybe even 5 years but it seems for the time being, Wonderwalls all year round popularity is outweighing All I Wants...Christmas madness.
I really can't agree but I know why. because we don't have the data of what I was asking for, which is the best way to determine if AIWFCIY is trying to catch up or not. AIWFCIY is seasonal song, so it's a disadvantage for her song to be compared to Wonderwall if we get the streaming figures on any dates between January 1 to at least November 30. That's why I want to get the yearly streaming figures (Jan1-Dece31) of each song which the problem is you (or anybody) don't have the exact data.
Are you for real!
I fail to understand how you've not got this yet! You're either being incredibly obstinate or incredibly stupid, as the dates you've been provided with, are so close to the dates that you want.
I've just given you data between 9th January 2018 and 20th January 2019, if you can't logically and sensibly reduce both songs by a relevant amount of streams to give them an approximate total on the 1st January 2018 and 31st December 2018, then there is something fundamentally wrong with you.
But I'll go even better still, I'll give you the 31st December 2018 figure for both songs;
Wonderwall: 598,798,481
All I Want...: 551,532,409
So we now know 9th January 2018 to 31st December 2018.
Wonderwall streamed around 4,8m between 1st Jan and 8th Jan 2019
All I Want... streamed around 3,5m between 1st Jan and 8th Jan 2019
So, say last year between 1st to 8th January 2018
Wonderwall had 4m streams
All I Want... had 3m streams.
That means we can state with some certainty that on the 1st January 2018;
Wonderwall had roughly 384m streams
All I Want... had roughly 365m streams.
On the 1st January 2019;
Wonderwall had 599m streams
All I Want.. had 552m streams.
Wonderwall had a lead of 19m on 1st January 2018, on 1st January 2019, it had extended that lead to 47m. Come 20th January (today) It has extended it to 55m. The closest it got was around 45m behind in very late December 2018.
We need to compare the two songs on a yearly basis. You only provided data for 2018. So there isn't enough data. Providing/including the streaming figures for January 2019 will not help. I guess, we will have to wait for 2019 to end.
Unless you can provide the total streaming numbers of each song by the end of 2017.
To be honest, you say quite a lot, unfortunately not all of it is true and all of it is biased towards Metallica.
Did you write down the total streams by the end of 2018 for Wonderwall and AIWFCIY? so that we have a clearer comparison when we get the total streams of the songs by the end of 2019. If the gap between the two songs is getting smaller or bigger.
U2 were already very big in the 80's and their streams are much more divided into different albums. They sold much more albums and singles so people that own those records mostly listen to them instead of streaming the songs.
Metallica have almost more 1.500 million streams on Spotify than U2 (in over 10 years) but just 3 Metallica songs represent around 25% of their streams (and the same can be said by U2 three most streamed songs).
That just means people under 25 years, and especially in US, listen more to Metallica on streaming. (Most Spotify streams until today were generated by under 25 year old originated from US). Just like most older acts U2 are more a pure sales act. Sure Metallica are also an old act, but U2 are older. Metallica are also the only big metal act.
The fact that U2 still make hundreds million dollars more in concert today (as do the Rolling Stones) proves the opposite. Even if Metallica have almost more 1.500 million streamed songs on Spotify than U2.
On this century alone, despite (having done more concerts than U2) Metallica did around $600 million with concerts while U2 did over $1.800 million in concert (this century alone).
This shows people are willing to pay more to see U2 and that more people are willing to see U2.
Also almost all U2 concerts were sold out compared to Metallica that did not even sold out Arenas some times.
U2 are playing much more Stadiums concerts while Metallica play more Arenas (they also played some sold out Stadiums as well, but less). In the same Stadiums while U2 put over 50k people there Metallica faill to sell even 40k tickets sometimes. This shows that despite more people listen to Metallica on Spotiffy they are not willing to pay to see them live and that as U2 sold much more records also (They were at 194.5 million CPSC in 2016 and Metallica are still at 156.7 million as 2019 - U2 numbers need an update since their released a new album in 2017).
With streaming you are never sure people are really listening to the act or if that act was added to a lot of popular playlists and people are listening to those playlist and not searching those artists.
Everybody knows that artists that are huge at their peak become huge catalog sellers and legends once they die. Sadly Kurt Cobain died young and with not many Nirvana catalog (but if that had not happen probably there would be no Foo Fights). Nirvana are big and very important for music history, they became legendary and forever young. That doesn't mean they are bigger than Celine Dion. They are not as they sold less than half her EAS albums. And as we all know streaming total number from the past 10 years on Spotify are a mix of radio and picking songs as 40% of the songs streamed come from playlists. Also most Spotify streans are from US under 25 year olds. Nirvana main market is US. Celine Dion main markets are France, Belgium, Switzerland and Canada (and her public is also older).
The TOP 20 just shows how rock, alternative rock, metal, grunge and rap dominate streaming.
Except for a Christmas album all the other TOP 20 albums are from those specific music genres.
This list also shows how the US spotify streams are big compared to other countries where streaming picked up a lot later.
The hotter artists in US are the ones that also are hotter on Spotify as most spotify streams until today come from US (less from US everyday now - in proportion to other countries as streams are still increasing ).
The most streamed 90's playlists are also important here as they are responsible for most of those streams (we just need to compare their plays to songs on these albums plays),
in catalog streams EAS sales one can't say Spotify streams are doing much as the most Streamed 90's album as #01 (Nirvana) have around 1.3 million EAS sales only in 10 years. #40 (Radiohead) got around 355k only.
This shows that catalog sales in both digital and physical formats are still higher worldwide. For older acts albums streaming is not representative of what sells more or have more success overall. It does shows what US under 25 listen to (as said earlier most of the streams were generated by US under 25 yo).
Hi Nuno!
Honestly you views about streaming are fairly inaccurate. The US is far from being that strong for the streaming market, quite the opposite, streaming is reducing more and more the share of the US market in the world. You also say that most streams come from under 25 years old people, while in proportion they are the most numerous, acting as they are alone is very wrong. In 2018, 83% of 16-24 used a streaming service every month, 75% of 25-34, 64% of 35-44, 53% of 45-54 and even 44% of 55-64. Add they all together and you will conclude that 16-24 aren't the majority at all. Lastly, you also say that playlists benefit some artists to explain why Metallica have more streams than U2, but Metallica streams are actually way more balanced through all their songs than U2 streams!
Your tour statitics are also far from accurate and you miss the fact that the last Metallica tour strongly outperformed recent ones of U2.
For someone thought the number Celine's album Shania were low then, Come on over is more than Jagged Little Pill ，Lauryn Hill，The Bodyguard and 2nd most stream female album of 90s now. Celine's Let's Talk About Love and Let's Talk About Love also inside top 10 and top 15 female album of 90s（including next generation diva such as Britney,jlo, shakria's album）
Theirs hits also inside top female singles of 90s, it means that Spotify only a part of stream world and not worldwide as YouTube, My heart will go on has over 1.5 billion views in YouTube without official according. According to trusted industry source Billboaed, mhwgo had almost 600 million stream when Spotify number under 300 million worldwide in 2020（ https://jezebel.com/which-no-1-singles-from-the-80s-and-90s-stand-the-test-1844294232?rev=1595250877341) Early-to-mid-’80s songs fill the top 10, which includes only one from the ’90s (“My Heart Will Go On,” by Celine Dion), Whitney's Dance with Somebody has even twice times stream as Always love you, but the latter has bigger advantage in YouTube and also more greatest and famous, successful as we know, isn't it?
Will the article be updated?
"It was the fact that not all artists and genre perform equally well in distinct platforms, like Spotify and Apple Music for example. "
As stated from “More features, less problems” article, many global hits are very popular in other platforms.
Billboard( https://www.billboard.com/lists/celine-dion-my-heart-will-go-on-hot-100-chart-rewind-1998/)has post official stream figures for My heart will go on，"Heart” has drawn 5 billion in cumulative airplay audience and 728 million official (only counted !)U.S. streams.
And only one song from the ’90 inside top 10 most US streamed songs of the ’80s and’90s No. 1s, according to（Billboard）Nielsen Music（ https://jezebel.com/which-no-1-singles-from-the-80s-and-90s-stand-the-test-1844294232?rev=1595250877341
So stream figure for "Heart" must be very overrated, as well as Let's Talk Love and Titanic Soundtrack's dates.
