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You do have to remember when looking at streaming figures that you are looking at an audience that isn't particularly representative of the general population.
It isn't about the raw number of users but whether the demographics of those users are representative of the population as a whole.
Spotify users will clearly skew much more towards a younger audience - favouring rock, indie, rap and r&b far more than pop, easy listening or ballads.
Not only does the younger audience mean that songs from the 90s get far more streams on average than the 80s, which get more than the 70s and so on but will also have an influence in over and under representing certain genres and artists on these lists. The typical Celine Dion or Frank Sinatra listener probably hasn't even heard of Spotify!
You seem to be starstruck by celine dion and I mean I like Celine and I have nothing wrong with you being a fan but your fascination with a person who dosn't even know you exist is very annoying
This is typical. Seems that you have two main M.O.s. You either insult your readers for asking their questions. Or you reverse it back on them by answering their question with a question. I'm not asking about an article written by some nameless, faceless "critics". I'm asking about your article.
It's indeed typical Donald! Once your "argument" appears to be weak you get into personal stuff since you can't back it up with reasonable, consistent comments 😉
If I'm only "insulting" readers, why would my articles matter more than "nameless, faceless" critics? See, hardly consistent. Also, when I'm refering to the likes Rolling Stone Magazine, that's hardly nameless dudes. Then, I perfectly answered. Seeing these albums are regarded as the most enjoyable ones by 200 million users is easily good enough for me to call them the "greatest", music isn't only supposed to be art, it's also an entertainment. They are the greatest is that they entertain people better nowadays than remaining albums from this era. Why should the word "greatest" be used only when it fits your personal understanding of it? And no, it's not "answering a question with a question", instead pointing out to a fact, the one that I already mentioned above, that the definition of "greatest" is open to several views rather than a good one on a side and ignorant comments elsewhere as you are suggesting.
I don't see any reference to Rolling Stone in your article and I don't see any other reference to it in these comments.
Why should there be an explicit references to them? They obviously fit to the "bunch of magazine editors [who] feel legitimate to call the greatest albums of all-time" description. You are the one speaking about "faceless, nameless" reviews.
Hi MJD,
Why do you seem to always oppose me? I like you even if sometimes, we differ in opinion. And I really believe the way you measure music artists success through CSPC, etc.
Even this article felt like you really wanted to put Celine down.
As for Martin,
Streaming ( especially that only Spotiiy is being counted here ) should not be the basis for relevance nor measurement to say "bigger act" or "greatest". I acknowledge the huge streaming numbers of Nirvana's album "Nevermind" and I was just pointing out that Celine is still above Nirvana overall because of MJD's best-selling music artists-EAS.
"greatest" is not the right word cos that would mean "nevermind" album is better than any album of Elvis Presley, The Beatles, Madonna and Michael Jackson.
Anyway, Martin, can we start all over again? can we stop talking sounding like we hate each other and we will always oppose each other's opinions?
And I'm fine if I'll be the first to say this.
I'm sorry.
Maybe if you stop talking about Celine Dion all the time people wouldnt have been so annoyed. And some of your comments regarding her is kind of annoying.
Hi Mxthx!
That was answered earlier, approx 270m by the date of the article 🙂
What, that's just more lies!
Check back through the comments, you'll see you were the first to compare the two acts. It was because you started comparing the two acts, all this started. You provided various figures for both acts and then stated "So with those figures, Celine Dion is way, way bigger than Nirvana overall" and then "Nirvana may have the most streamed album in the 90s but I prefer Celine’s huge success/achievements". I then counteracted your comparison/hypothesis, saying that in 2018, I believe Nirvanas music to be the more influential, relevant and popular.
As for today Mariah Carey's Merry Christmas reached 646 million streams threshold. Looks like it has risen to #11 in the list.
Innuendo is now on 189,236, 130 and 'The show must go on' has done 101 million now. Made in Heaven has done 84,323,058. Pretty impressive increases, especially since Made in Heaven had nothing in the movie.
Thanks Jules great news, Innuendo album could easily do 200,000 by February?
On Spotify Queen are now 14th in the world for monthly streams, which is very impressive.
Not sure where you're getting your figures from, but on Spotify, I had it on 546m yesterday and 549m today. Unless I've completely missed a version that adds around 100m streams, I can't see where your 646m is coming from.
VERSION --- 26/12/18 --- 27/12/18
(ORIGINAL) --- 479,582,245 --- 482,041,842
(BIEBER) --- 46,725,908 --- 46,885,148
(II YOU) --- 17,651,332 --- 17,688,255
(SO SO DEF) --- 1,457,749 --- 1,465,015
(NEW DANCE) --- 228,194 --- 228,587
(NEW DANCE EDIT) --- 100,437 --- 100,562
(NEW DANCE EXT) --- 59,700 --- 59,785
(HOLIDAY MASHUP) --- 651,982 --- 653,455
OVERALL TOTAL --- 546,457,547 --- 549,122,649
It will be interesting to see what it streams in the other 11 or so months of the year but there is no taking away from the tracks power over Christmas. 137m streams since the article was posted, at one point last week it was averaging around 7m streams a day!
As great as it's Christmas power is, in my opinion, it's still not catching tracks like Wonderwall or Mr Brightside. in the long run. They are averaging around 600,000 daily streams, around 220,000,000 a year. I just can't see Carey matching that, I severely doubt it will add another 82m streams, over the next 11 months, to equal WWs or MBs yearly streaming totals. On top of this, WW is currently 49m ahead and MB is 57m ahead.
Assume her track adds say another 6m or 7m until the end of the year and starts 2019 with approx' 555m streams. Then just taking a wild stab, let's say it streams 100,000 per day, for the next 10.5/11 months, until mid/late November 2019, which I think is overestimating what it will actually stream a day, given it's seasonal nature. That would add around another 30m to her total, leaving her somewhere between 580m-590m streams, just before Christmas 2019.
Oasis and The Killers in comparison, would be somewhere around 800m then, some 210m-220m ahead. Just before this festive period, she trailed WW by around 180m, so even being (I think) extremely generous to her track over the rest of the 2019, I still think she will lose more ground over year.
Hey Martin, thanks for pointing that out, I've just re checked, wow even more impressive, I wonder how high they can go?
10th is the highest I've seen them yet, they were also 10th yesterday. I imagine some acts have been benefiting from Christmas streams, which are starting to die off. Mariah Carey for instance, is still at #2, with just over 45m monthly listeners. Don't know if any other acts in the Top 9 have been benefiting from Christmas streams, the way she has and will surely drop as she will.
Hi Martin,
1. Is the streaming figures of Mariah Carey's "All I Want For Christmas Is You" increasing year after year after year? And is it a huge increase every year?
2. How about "Wonderwall"? Is it gaining more streaming figures year after year after year? or is the song just continue to get an average of between 210-220 million streaming figures per year?
I want to know because that way, we are able to figure out if AIWFCIY is catching up or not and if the streaming figures gap between AIWFCIY and Wonderwall is getting smaller and smaller as years go by.
Not checked but I'd imagine so, probably by quite a bit.
With regards to WW and AIWFCIY,
ARTIST --- 19/01/19 --- 20/01/19 --- RISE
CAREY --- 556,389,591 --- 556,495,288 --- 105,697
OASIS --- 610,679,346 --- 611,346,601 --- 667,255
So Carey is down to around 106k a day, whether it will continue to fall day by day or steady out, until it rises again next Christmas time, I can't say but it averaged around 117k a day between 10th January to 19th January.
Oasis were averaging 611,812 a day between 22nd November 2018 and 19th January 2019, they have now risen to 667k a day.
This is pure guess work but say Oasis level out to around 700k views a day, as Spotify expands etc over the year and Carey levels out to 100k a day, until we get to say 31st October 2019, just prior to Christmas time kicking in. This would mean WW adds around 196m streams between toady and 31st October, Carey around 30m.
Wonderwall would be around 807m streams
All I Want... would be around 585m streams
A difference of 222m streams.
When we first looked at the songs on 22nd November Oasis had around 575m streams and Carey had around 407m, a difference of 168m, at the beginning of November Carey would have had around 385m streams and Wonderwall around 562m, a difference of 177m.
So while I imagine Carey will score even more streams over Christmas 2019 than she did in 2018, Oasis will probably also increase over the year, how many streams they gain per day.
So going by my rough calculations between 1st November 2018 and 31st October 2019
Wonderwall will have added around 218m streams to it's total
All I Want... will have added around 200m streams to it's total
And let's not forget catalogue wise, these other tracks are also ahead of All I Want..
Bohemian Rhapsody: 700m
Lose Yourself: 666m
Mr Brightside: 615m
The Scientist: 605m
'Till I Collapse: 590m
Hi Martin,
I am having a hard time trying to answer my question if the streaming figures gap between the two songs is getting smaller or bigger.
I think it would be easier if you provide the figures of each song by year , like how many streams did AIWFCIY and Wonderwall get for the whole year 2017 (jan-1-dec31 2017) How about the whole year of 2018?
If you can provide the figures that way, we will be able to determine better if the gap is getting smaller or not.
I hope you're getting what I'm asking for. I'm not that good in english.
I know what you are asking for but we do not have that exact data, which has been explained previously, so we just have to go on what we do have.
I have managed to unearth some more figures though.
On 09/01/2018 I posted a comment in the "Data Collector" section, stating that the main version of All I Want.. was on 317m streams. On UKMIX, Stevvy has been collecting it's daily streams from 30/10/18, when it had 334m streams. So in the 294 day between, 9th January and 30th October it streamed around 17m, which works out at around 58k a day.
On 30th October all versions were standing at 386m streams, with Bieber at 36m, II You at 15m and the other versions around 1.7m together.
Between 9th January and 30th October, All I Want.. main version managed an increase of around 5.4%, as all the other version are less popular than it, let's assume they increased by around 3%, over that same period. That would mean they all probably only rose by around 2m cumulative streams. I think this would give us a total for All I Want.. around 9th January 2018 of approx' 368m. So I'f imagine roughly 362m at January 1st 2018.
By contrast WW was on 388m on the 10th January 2018, so probably around 383m for 1st January;
ARTIST --- 09/01/18 --- 22/11/18 --- 20/01/19 --- RISE --- PER DAY
OASIS --- 388,000,000 --- 575,000,000 --- 611,000,000 --- 223,000,000 --- 593,085
CAREY --- 368,000,000 --- 407,000,000 --- 556,000,000 --- 188,000,000 --- 500,000
DIFFERENCE --- 20,000,000 --- 168,000,000 --- 55,000,000 --- 35,000,000 --- 93,085
This is my take on it, Careys track is increasing year on year but Wonderwall is increasing by more.
