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Peter is right Fortnight hardly broke into the top ten into a lot of european markets, this is fact not an opinion. Billie Eilish's album has charted better in most european countries, and it is a much better album, I am not a fan of either of them, but Lunch is a cool song, there is nothing in the tortured poet department that can match it.
The only reason why Taylor sold out stadiums fast in Italy France Switzerland is because bots and scalpers bought all the tickets in order to sell them on to americans for thousands of dollars, it was estimated that in france 20 per cent of the audience was made up of americans
You do understand that 80% local audience in raw audience numbers would still be bigger than any other modern-era American pop star in France, right?
Still unsure why Billie Eillish keeps getting mentioned here Two women can be successful at the same time, It's okay, I promise.
Because in the era of autoplay and label manipulation, seats sold is the best indicator for organic demand. Hope this helps Jake
She doesn't plan to slow down. Reportedly she plans to release one more album and go on tour again in 2026. Madonna gonna be overtaken next year. She is already in nine figures eas outside usa. Have biggest stadium tour ever by female artist in Europe despite Peter telling me how she is irrelevant in europe. 😉Some haters will have to cope with their cherrypicking of stats which suits them. While she will have another massive tour in their precious Europe and they will cope. From 2026 onwards, she will be cmng for queen and later mjs numbers. If she keeps the blockbuster albums going on. But what a two decade run so far! One new album. Two tvs . What a catalog.. btw she has sold more outside usa than usa. Her usa numbers are around 105 million and worldwide numbers are over 220 million. Do the maths
Taylor doesn't represent to old demographics. Tom cruise biggest movie star of last four decades. Hug grant are 14 years old. I was told here
So I can't use old stats to put Taylor's success down. Different era method applies to everyone not just which suits ur argument. She has destroyed every touring record of mj and Madonna
We don't care. Her album is already reaching 9 million eas and is blockbuster. Point of singles has always been to sell albums which it did. By that logic pink Floyd must be flop
I never said she's irrelevant in Europe. Shes just not bigger than the big female artists before her and nowhere close to MJ like her fans believe.
She's on par with the biggest female artists. That's as far as she can get in Europe.
I believe touring numbers. Europe isn't the end of world anyways and she still have biggest stadium tour ever there. Why should I trust Peter or jake or martin or whatever opinion over hard numbers? From billboard to other mega publications have said she has.mania on par with Beatles mj Madonna. Who r u to decide that?
You can't see the numbers bcoz pure sales r dead. She is massive there and how she smashed touring records in France her weakest market. Then those massive gurls must be doing wrong if they can't match her numbers despite being queens of Europe honey.
She is one of biggest artist of all time and it's overall sales which decide that. You cherry picking certain markets won't change that. She gonna overtake.madonna soon and mj sales too if she keeps 20 million plus eas for years to come. Even mj isn't safe at this point. You can cry about her singles charting when overall was will matter in end.
I will trust these media publication and worldwide impact over what Peter says to cope
Lol touring has nothing to do with music. MJ dangerous explained it too. What media says isn't always right. There's lot of bias involved. The reason they call her that is because the eras tour is making lot of money for cities. But her music is actually not doing that well to compare her to all time greats.
Her album is flopping in France, that's a fact and no sold out stadiums can help her because lot of people are not interested in her music. They wanted to see the concert because it gets lot of hype on social media. Lot of attendees were American too.
I guess her tour compensates for her poor sales in Europe and hits to put her alongside the biggest female artists.
She's nothing compared to MJ though in Europe.
can y'all let it go... taylor sells well and is famous, and so is everyone else.
Lol, her last 2 albums went 1 in France and Gold on a few months but keep lying. And not all of them were Americans, the stadium said that themselves.
She has the biggest and second biggest debut in Europe of ALL time! Sure, she isn't like MJ but please stop lying. She is a huge name here.
So ur takes r not biased and holy grail of truth lmao. Touring doesn't matter because jake Peter think so. Touring is lost important stat along with streaming numbers . She has biggest album of year to go with her tour. So Cut the crap. Ur pov isn't more important than likes of billboard. Are you crazy?? She is about to outsell Madonna. If that is not legendary feat. Then I guess no-one has a great career by that logic. It isn't doing compared to all time greats? Anyone who reach 200 million eas is all time great and she is smashing them. Even if she doesn't tour. Her catalog will still sell around 15-20 million per year. Which results in 100 million was in five years. How isn't great? What r ur benchmarks for her compared to others? U just love to discredit because u can't help urself to sleep otherwise.
Her tour smashed in France and her album is on way to platinum. It isn't called flopping outside ur context . It isn't a fact and in end whole overall sales that matters. It is already near ten million units and in some years. It will global smash with 20 million units. If that is flopping , u need to get a brain. She smashed every touring record in France. So nope.
You don't have the survey who were attended. At this point u just wanna pat ur back, because u have been proven wrong over the last two years. That u have nthng to stand on. Building narratives to make u sleep at this point lmao
She doesn't need to be mj. She is her own artist and will surpass him one day in sales. As she plans to release new album in 2025 and go on tour again. She might never reach 2023 numbers again which is fine because she will be 20 years into her career. But still will keep 15-20 million units a year over next decade. U can keep the dance legacy of mj, if it makes u sleep. As she destroys his eas and touring records. That is what matters. Cope
Why should we let go? Only jake and Peter and Martin have right ght to opinion here with their narratives of their neighbours not knowing her. Or her France tour attended by Americans to discredit her?
Disliking it won't change truth. Go cry to high grant and Tom cruise lmao.
And my point again. France isn't end of world. she smash in Asia where majority of people lives. And she still destroyed France tour records anyways. Her albums chart in multiple year end charts of so called precious Europe of urs
Taylor might ever match 2023-2024 again. ( Near 100 million eas in two years ). But even if she keeps doing 15 to 20 million was from new releases and great catalog sales. That number will take her near to 400 million eas only behind Beatles. I will see many years here and how pure sales matter more . Though she will reach 100 million in that department too.
Taylor ended 2022 around 135 million was, 2023 around 185 million ( near 50 million units in 2023 ). With updates pure she is around 220 million eas. So 35 million eas this year already. Even if she doesn't released a tv ( I think she will ). She might match 2023 number Again. Then there are six months to go to sell atleast 15 million eas which is very much possible. That means 100 million units in 2023&2024 combined. Crazy. We were discussing her with Coldplay Rihanna Adele in 2021 and how she is coming near to other divas. But no way we thought she gonna pace this fast to come near Madonna in such short time. And later more people. For example queen. .
Though this peak will be very impossible for her even to surpass. Her catalog will keep getting consumed with more future releases and tour. Giving her annual eight figure eas which will result in massive amount over the another decade. And she doesn't wanna slow down at all. She keeps writing and recording. It gonna be journey for chart lovers who doesn't like her lol. They can ask their neighbours to help them i guess
