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No OJD, I know the titles but I'm just not that familiar with them as tracks. I'm pretty sure, in fact I know, I have listened to the first two but they just didn't sink in or leave a lasting impression on me. I actually listened to her version of 1989 a few months ago and did actually like a couple of tracks, but I didn't really take note of the titles of the tracks I quite liked, I'm clutching here but I think one might have been "Slut".
Madonna was very popular in Asia. She sold over 20 million albums there and sold out stadiums. Maybe taylor is more popular but it's definitely not much more
Oh I know, especially her albums, but IMO success doesn't always translate to well known. I mean my favourite artist is Led Zeppelin, who were hugely successful but their tracks are not exactly that well known amongst the general public, especially in the UK, certainly not like tracks by say Bon Jovi, Guns N Roses, Journey, Police, etc who have all been way less successful in terms of sales than Led Zeppelin.
I do think that her music is gonna stay for a long time. Just like we know Madonna, The Beatles etc
Yes, it's completely possible, given that, as these current younger generations age, they will take her music with them throughout life, just like people have with The Beatles and to a lesser extent Madonna. I guess it's just that I'm a 50 year old male in the UK and while I clearly can see and appreciate her insane popularity, her actual music doesn't really filter through to me.
Generally speaking regarding to EAS, Taylor Swift in the long run will likely be at least on fourth place behind The Beatles, Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley, which is truly impressing if you view her success on an objective level.
But that's not the only interesting thing to me personally:
Through Taylor Swift especially I learned that music is almost always a generational issue. I am now 40 years old. I don't listen to FM radio anymore either, so I don't know if Swift is present there. Since I don't use TikTok, Facebook or Instagram to consume music, Swift's music is completely passed by me. Therefore, I would like to contradict you by admitting that I couldn't name or even hum a song of hers if asked. I'm pretty sure many people my age and older feel this way.
Please don't get me wrong! This is not meant to be disrespectful at all, as I am already aware of how successful she is. But for a more far-sighted view, it is always advisable – and of course this applies not only to Swift, but to all artists from any era – to take into account the intertemporal differences in culture and taste.
But was she popular in places like India, Thailand, Vietnam, Philliphines, etc.? I know she had success in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Japan, but I'm not sure about her success in the other countries. Of course, it's difficult to tell because I don't think most of those countries had official music markets when Madonna was at her peak.
I fully agree, I think we are coming full circle from the shock value thing. People are just sick of it. And Taylor was very smart to target very young girls in her early years.She created a cult of personality through social media. Those fans who grew up with her still love her and they remain fans to this day. Whereas I think Madonna started shedding fans eventually, with all her reinventions.
Regarding the Sex book and American Life, the backlack to the former was much more intense. I think it made her significantly less popular in America. A lot of people, even many fans, thought she went way too far. And American Life was basically the last straw, so to speak.
Why though, are Americans really that conservative? I thought she looked stunning in some of the photos in that book, although I was never a fan of the toe sucking ones lol. I think she's looked far worse and far more shocking, with some of her more recent style/image choices, than she did in the sex book.
Personally, although I have to admit I've never really paid that much attention to how she was with her fans, I don't think she's ever really cared what her fans thought about her or her choices.
Right but album success is the key differentiation between faceless and global A-league artist in the streaming era. Times have changed and it is important to adapt.
Taylor? Social media influencer? She's not even active on social media lol
LOL I agree with you there. The way she acts and looks now is just perplexing.
I think the early 90s was such a different time. But I do think we Americans can be more conservative than Western Europeans in some ways.
It's kind of ridiculous (when she has sold out Wembley 8 times in a row!) to say that she is not going to be remembered.
Of course, that's up for the people to decide. Since her US numbers are so big it might look like she is a local on Europe lol but she is absolutely not. TTPD was no 1 here in Germany, Fortnight even 2. She is a household name everywhere at this point.
Sure, we could talk about Generations but no one who has grown up in the 2000s or 2010s doesn't know who she is. But that is the paradox. She is pulling insane numbers yet the older Generations don't seem to know her.
And you could say the same thing about any modern artist. Will we be listening to Shape of You 10-20 years from now. We don't know. The fact that 1989(shake it off, blank space etc) is still so loved by many shows me that the potential is 100% there.
That's what the point was about though, will her tracks still be huge in the future, not if she will be remembered. Obviously, she's going to be remembered long into the future, but how popular and well known will her music be in the future, nobody knows.
Take acts like Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd huge album sales, sold out tours, great catalogue sales and relatively good streams but how many kids know their music today, certainly with Led Zeppelin, as has been specifically pointed out by posters in this thread (think in particular M), who I think from memory mentioned that they know none of their tracks and that nobody talks about them or listens to them amongst their friends and age group, yet this was a group that was one of the biggest, if not the biggest of the 1970s.
She reminds me of these people (mainly women) who become obsessed with plastic surgery, as they age, thinking it makes them more aesthetically beautiful but the reality, in the eyes of everyone else, is that they have just made themselves look so unnatural, that they actually look quite grotesque and damaged.
I wouldn't compare the Beatles and Madonna at all. Taylor and the Beatles, oh well.
True to be fair, but what you’ve seemingly removed yourself from popular culture completely, which means that you aren’t going to hear anything you don’t know already
I wouldn't say he's removed himself from popular culture (although maybe he has), he's just not using some of the contemporary methods, that younger generations tend to use, to consume or find music. I don't use Tik Tok either and don't use Facebook or Instagram for music, but I still keep abreast of what is currently popular to an extent, I just do not tend to consume it or be influenced by it.
Your accusation is not only a daring but actually quite outrageous!
Of course I haven't removed myself from cultural life. For me the world would be pretty sad and, to be honest, not worth living in at all if it only consisted of Taylor Swift.
There is so much more diverse and poignant culture to discover than on the channels that feature Top-40 formatted artists.
I suppose you can think logically here. If her tracks are already not very widespread among the general public, then obviously this will not happen in the future. So the answer is no, she won't be remembered. After her activity stops, I give her 7/8 years to be completely forgotten. And in fact, it's not just about her.
Hence there is another question. And hasn't the time of the world's all-famous hits passed in general? My opinion - yes, it has passed. And there are many reasons for this, including those that you and the "landischorsch" listed above. In our country, even Adele is rarely heard anymore. Maybe our people still know Beyonce, but they don 't remember any of her songs. And Swift, Dua, Sheeran and other mainstream artists, are known among the younger generation.
So, my opinion is that the great hits are in the past. Now there is a lot of music available, many things began to be replaced and disappear faster. But that's just my opinion
Forgive me, English is not my native language, there may be many mistake
This is entirely speculative and the notion Taylor Swift will be 'competely forgotten' amongst the 'general public' in 7-8 years is deluded.
People again describing their personal feelings to downplay her. When they don't matter. Tens of millions of people attending her concert all over world matter. Your so called gp but artist can't have that. She has gp as her fd. But me n my frnds opinion is subjective thing.feeli gs are subjective. Actual stats are in her favour
