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No, and truthfully, the growth of streaming only allows us to see a more equitable assessment of artists, as we can get a better sense of how artists are succeeding across different markets in ways impossible before. Taylor can rack up millions of album units in PH or Indonesia whereas MJ/Madonna never could for example.
The reality is tho comparing artists across time periods as a concept doesn't make sense if you really think about it. The music industry and the world were demographically, socially, politically, completely different 40-50 years ago, technology and abilities to promote were obviously different.
I think this is the best we have to create such a level of comparison, but it should be noted Taylor isn't just 'another successful artist in a successful period', the level of success she's seeing is truly once in a gen and hasn't been seen since THAT period of imperial artists.
Plus, let's be honest. Very few people listened to albums 1500 times back in the day so like...
gotta give to her, she has everything on her name.
She will soon have the highest grossing tour in history,she will soon be the most streamed artist ever and she still sells pure sales in a crazy way. years ago this would sound absolutely crazy
Holy f***, not in my wildest dreams I would imagine her sales to grow at this rate. We were in 122 million at this exact time a year ago. When are we going to get a new full update?
She is a very dominant force in the music business. 2019 she was the best selling artist in the world (IFPI). 2020 and 2021 the second best. 2023 once again the best. 2024-2026 she will be again in such heights. Just like the older acts she is growing fast in this list like they have back in the days. They sold 20-30 Million albums in such a year, she sells album units in such years. It‘s a fair game.
You Belong With Me, Love Story, Blank Space, Style, Shake it Off, Lover are all hits that are actively charting on the Global 200 Spotify Chart. You're insanely delusional if you think the millions fighting to see her live don't in some way shape or form represent the 'general public'
taylor swift is moving 40m a year and people will somehow believe she’s not popular lmfao the mental gymnastics y’all do are olympic…
Literally one of the biggest hitmakers ever. Numbers don't lie, people and especially pressed stans do
I can only speak from my perspective, but I agree with you to a certain point. Her whole career has pretty much passed me by musically, obviously I am aware of her insane popularity being a fan of sales etc just not her music. She just doesn't seem to appeal to me or my demographic, 50 year old male, it was similar with acts like Dion and Carey in 90s, they were huge but the majority of their catalogue just didn't seem to appeal or filter through to me or men in general, although their bigger hits did seem more well known to the general public and non fans, than Taylors.
Fair point, but isn't that also a consequence of the changed roll of music in society? In the 90s you had to listen to the radio or buy music yourself, so hits were almost inescapable. Nowadays, anyone can choose anything to listen to, and music is a part of memes everywhere, so you can choose to avoid what you don't want.
These are all known by her fans, but gp?
They probably know anti hero and shake it off....
Charting in top 100 or 50 of global 200 means nothing.
It just means some young people know these songs but not the gp.
Her shows are selling out because of her name, plus people want to see the concert.
She's widely known by young people but not older generations.
She's definitely not on mjs level.
Everywhere you go taylor is popular with kids up to young adults. But adults over 35 just don't know who she is. They can't name a Single song from her. At here in Europe
I forgot . Madonna also have 9 10+ million EAS albums . The biggest female achieve !
Go back to the MJ thread then, or is he not popular enough to keep you interested lol.
She crushes radio, Spotify, Apple Music, iTunes, pure sales, literally every single metric.
What you cant seem to get through your head is obviously Taylor is going to be the most popular amongst the generations who consume the most music when she is the most popular.
I’m not sure why you’d choose to corroborate someone who goes out of their way to diminish Taylor, but your point is fair for your perspective.
The reality tho is that this isn’t a Taylor issue, and it’s not even unique to her generation. Younger folks aren’t familiar with the catalogues of the Beatles, MJ, etc. as 50 year olds.
And these questions are only being brought up because Taylor is getting closer to closer to MJ’s level, so his fans need to come here to spew their lies and cope.
I don’t know what you would consider a song known by the gp worldwide, but wouldn’t you at least consider it Blank Space and especially Shake it Off? That 2 songs are maybe in the, top 20? (Or around that) most successful songs in the last decade, and were almost everywhere, with massive radio too.
Where did I say she isn't popular? I said she lacks hits, which is true.
Her only memorable songs gp knows are SIO, bs, wildest dreams maybe? Trouble, anti hero...
MJ had that many hits on his bad album alone.
Taylor hit maker?
She is literally known for selling albums because her singles flop.
Midnights only has 1 hit, rest of the singles are only moderate hits. Pathetic.
"Singles CSPC results" for Anti-Hero are wrong, i calculated it using the data provided here and it should be at 2.1m
She's more famous than MJ in the US according to polls (98% vs 97%), in the UK it's the opposite (97% vs 98%).
Midnights has a top 10 hit right now 8 months after release.
Taylor has sold more single units than any artist of her generation.
She hasn’t been a singles force in Europe ever, but saying the GP doesn’t know her because of that is ridiculous. The world is bigger than Bulgaria and Switzerland
