Will Midnights pass Un Verano Sin Ti for best selling album 2022? And if so any idea when?

I think globally will not ! But in the US market "Midnights" already surpass "Un Verano Sin Ti" . 4.6 million equivalent album units  vs. 4.2 millons equivalent album units .

It’s not out of the question but would be a very hard feat, won’t happen soon.

Thanks for the answers. Will be interesting to follow how the two compare sales wise over time.

I think it already did. Un Verano Sin Ti has low pure album sales. Midnights must be nearing 5 million only pure with China included along with crazy streaming.

I seriously think you need to separate the re-recordings. They are charting separately and are not meant to be re-issues that add value to the original copyright---they are meant to REPLACE it, being under an entirely different copyright holder. It is a unique situation in music business history that is not reflective of other 'reissues' (because it's not a reissue) and combining them does a disservice to the transparency and accuracy that this website has worked so hard to provide.

What is this percentage source?

I seriously disagree. It's the same songs. Basically new remixes or deluxe editions which have always counted towards the OG eras numbers. This site wants to showcase popularity and separating them does the exact opposite. It will dilute the actual size and popularity of the albums which goes against the entire purpose of the site. The reality is these songs are getting bigger and getting exposed to new audiences. There’s no reason they shouldn’t be added together especially when we know how much they affect the OG versions numbers

They're basically remasters, which is a very common thing meant to, indeed, replace the originals. It happens all the time.

This is a tired and stupid argument because 1) remasters happen all the time, and 2) albums are meant to measure consumption of their songs, re-recordings are 80% just the older albums essentially remastered. You say it's not a 'reissue' but in essence it is, just with a different title. That doesn't make it a different thing.

Also, adding new songs to an album despite what you claim is not a unique situation. Dua Lipa, Bebe Rexha, The Weeknd, Liam Payne have all piled random hits or released songs on deluxe versions of albums. The issue people find with Taylor is that when she does something like this she is too successful, so there must be something wrong with the methodology, but she's just seeing one of the biggest sales years of any artist in history, perhaps the biggest ever. She has stated that the rerecording's are meant to be replacements of her previous albums, but if Chartmasters were to uncombine versions, they'd have to uncombine all reissues and remasters, which is nonsensical because reissues are essentially measuring the same consumption of the OG album.

Holiday Collection it shouldn't be among the original albums. Can you please move it out of that table?

She also had deluxe editions with additional songs of many of these albums already. This isn't the first time she has reissued an album with additional songs. Then it would get tricky if you count the Taylor's Version albums separate but not the deluxe versions. Keeping everything combined seems to be the most uniform way to approach it when compared to other artists.

They are not remasters, they are re-recordings, entirely different thing. Like I said this is literally a unique situation in music history. NO major artist has ever re-recorded their entire back catalogue like this.

Re-recordings might be a unique thing, they still aren't new songs, so they are right to not separate them. Can we please move on?

Major artists have tried and abandoned it because it wasn't successful like Taylor's are. If they were unsuccessful like many artists before her you would not even be having this discussion.

Just reacting over the 'unique' word, as the debate in itself makes no sense to me as many pointed out.

Tons of artists actually re-recorded their own tracks over the years. There have been cases where it was due to the original masters getting too used, this happened a lot with successful 30s/40s hits, most famously Bing Crosby's White Christmas. Then others did it as well due to contract issues like Taylor, a clear example is Def Leppard, or the Everly Brothers. Many reissued their classics to add a theme (acoustic, etc) like Cat Stevens, Alanis Morissette, Beck, etc. And then there are the 'orchestra' stuff, as done by Sting, George Michael, etc.

In truth, except the 1st case that was purely technical, the following cases have all been done for the same reason, i.e. the artist wanted to make more money from the recording. The only real difference with Taylor Swift, as stated by Kyy, is that hers are being massively successful, while these products only appeal to a niche (hardcore fans) usually.

Where should it be?

Some tidbits from Argentina: 1m showed up to presale online for 24,000 tickets, 3m showed up to general sale the next date (via local Argentine news sources), mid sale a third date was added due to the intense demand. Rumors are already going around that she will add 2 more dates in Mexico for 5 total, bringing the LATAM date total to 11 if she were to do that, insane for an artist who has never been to LATAM before.

Also, she flooded both the Argentina and Uruguay Spotify charts, charting 15 songs in the former and 11 on the latter.

Across all credits combined on Spotify she has:

3 songs gaining 2.5m+ daily
11 songs gaining 1.5m+ daily (YBWM just barely misses cutoff)
18 songs gaining 1m+ daily
48 songs gaining 500k+ daily

Brazil presale is this Friday, Brazil general is next monday, and then Mexico is next Tues, Weds, Thurs, so will be interesting how much she is able to penetrate those charts as Br/Mx are the 2nd/3rd biggest Spotify markets globally!

Looking at the data I am starting to wonder if Midnight's will surpass Reputation and Lover in equivalent album sales before it levels off.

282K this week . 4.901.000 total units .

It's tricky because Midnights is at over 9.5m with updated pure, and so on paper it should be poised to pass, but Lover and reputation are sooooo strong, and reputation TV will probably make it untouchable

pretty sure Midnights is above 10m.

~3.9m pure sales (including 710k chinese DLs counted fully)
~150k EAS from ~1m digital singles
~6m EAS from streaming

that brings it to 10.05m cspc units give or take 100k as a margin of error

Taylor Swift's most streamed songs on 07/06/2023 (combined versions)

1. Karma 3.092m 
2. Anti-Hero 2.726m 
3. Cruel Summer 2.597m 
4. Snow On The Beach 1.99m 
5. Blank Space 1.946m
6. Hits Different 1.866m 
7. Style 1.803m 
8. cardigan 1.761m 
9. Enchanted 1.645m
10. Love Story 1.522m 
11. Wildest Dreams 1.512m 
12. You Belong With Me 1.473m 
13. Don't Blame Me 1.450m 
14. Lover 1.378m
15. Lavender Haze 1.371m 
16. All Too Well 1.232m 
17. Shake It Off 1.183m 
18. All Of The Girls 1.065m
19. Midnight Rain 1.063m 
20. august 1.03m 
21. I Knew You Were Trouble. 976k 
22. We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together 911k
23. Bad Blood 895k
24. Bejeweled 879k 
25. You're On Your Own, Kid 878k 
26. Delicate 850k 
27. Getaway Car 832k 
28. The Man 762k 
29. Paper Rings 741k 
30. Maroon 697k 
31. willow 689k 
32. Look What You Made Me Do 681k 
33. Miss Americana & The Heartbrek Prince 676k 
34. champagne problems 672k
35. The Way I Loved You 672k
36. Daylight 648k 
37. I Don't Wanna Live Forever 615k 
38. 22 606k 
39. Vigilante Shit 595k 
40. Fearless 584k 
41. the 1 577k
42. ...Ready For It? 571k 
43. Back To December 557k 
44. You Need To Calm Down 556k 
45. Gorgeous 552k 
46. Mastermind 540k 
47. The Great War 535k 
48. Cornelia Street 532k 
49. Red 526k 
50. exile 516k 
51. my tears ricochet 516k

That is 51 songs gaining +500k streams daily. 20 gaining +1m. mind boggling.

this is the distribution of these 51 songs per album:

Taylor Swift: 0
Fearless: 4
Speak Now: 2
Red:5
1989: 5
reputation: 6
Lover: 8
folklore: 5
evermore: 2
Midnights: 12
Other; 2

also the distribution by single status:
Official Singles: 25
Promotional Singles; 3
Album Cuts; 23

many of these tracks got big boosts beyond their original popularity such as Cruel Summer.

but it also reinforces and accelerates trends that weren't so obvious if you only looked at the total streams (YBWM and Love Story being much bigger than Trouble and Getting Bcak Together, Blank Space having way more lasting appeal than shake it off, Wildest Dreams and Style are actually twice as big as Bad Blood nowadays)

but this also shifted some dynamics. willow and cardigan used to be equals (willow even had more streams at one point). yet now cardigan left willow way behind. i can even see it becoming a Taylor classic track.

also keep an eye out for august. it's averaging +1m daily gains. if the same scenario as last year repeats it'll peak really high this time around. likely being her most streamed song the entire month of august.

the obvious absent from the list is "ME!", the lead single off of Lover. it is absent from the tour set list due to the terrible reception it had in terms of critics, radio and fans alike. even many songs from the same album that aren't on the set list perform way better (Paper Rings, Daylight etc...)

Probably but I didn't want to overestimate