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It's obvious you're an incoming troll once more, can someone ban this person?
That just proves taylor is bigger now, but in the past before spotify took over Justin was much bigger and this is shown on Gaana. You can't just delete the past and focus on a recent year lol. That's biased and ignorant of you.
Justin also more streams in Japan and south Korea than Taylor. He has over 600m streams in Japan. How do you explain that?
Literally nobody here has ever claimed Taylor is bigger or has more streams than Justin Bieber in Japan or South Korea. We also don't have total streams from Taylor in Japan so this comparison is useless and obviously just another trolling attempt from your part.
Taylor fans claim she is the biggest in Asia by FAR too bad her streams don't add up.
Her most popular song in Japan only has 50 million steams which is gold.
I know you struggle a lot with Taylor’s success but the site you spend your days at has plenty of links which confirm how massive she is in the continent. A quick look at the Biggest Spotify debuts in Asia will tell you that Taylor has 4/10 biggest weeks debuts in the continent. Choosing and picking stats like certified streams in Japan won’t change that. Hope you sleep well tonight and perhaps find some peace with her MASSIVE and ever GROWING success in Asia.
Lol soo massive, but she fails in the biggest markets Japan and south Korea.
Even MJD confirmed Bieber is more popular than her in Asia. He is HUGE EVERYWHERE in Asia. Has no weak market like Taylor.
I like taylors music in fact I listen to her more than Bieber but she is soooo overrated in Asia.
Justin has the 13th highest debut in the continent whereas Taylor has the first and another 3 albums above his. He's also huge there. It'll be okay.
Yeah it's strange how Justin has more streams in Japan and Korea but taylor still outdebuts him.
Well see how her tour sells in Asia if she has the guts to come there (:
That’s because the entire continent of Asia isn’t just the two countries where Justin has more streams. Anyways, this conversation is going nowhere if you’re implying she doesn’t have the demand to tour or sell out her shows there. I should know better than to try and have a rational discussion with a troll.
By the end of the decade all of Taylor's albums released up until Midnights will have crossed 10M units. In 30 years time it is likely all of them will have crossed 20M units. We are witnessing the biggest female artist of all time. And she is still in her early 30s. Madonna, it was good while it lasted.
I don't think it's the same though. The Teenage Dream and The Fame re-releases included new material, sure, but it was packaged together with the original LP. Taylor's re-recordings are something else entirely. They are released years after the originals, by a different record label, and are not the same recordings as the original, the whole point of them is for her to re-do her music so she owns the master recordings. There is a good argument to be made they should be counted separately because they are not a re-release in the traditional vein, and what's more, if the aim of the site is to provide accurate info re: success, the re-recordings should be counted separately because it belongs to a different rights holder with a different label than the original.
I think MJD is mistaken by not separating them. For the music industry, they are different projects (and, literally, are not the same recordings) that are financially benefitting different parties. They are not intended to be a re-packaged version of the originals like practically every other re-release ever. It would be more accurate to list them separately IMO. And it would provide a better breakdown of data that would also provide insight into whether the fans are gravitating more towards the originals or the new versions. That's just my two cents.
None of them tried to re-record their albums entirely so that they could own the rights under a different record label though. Red TV and Fearless TV are not repackagings of original material like most re-releases are. They are not meant to benefit that original material and drive interest towards it but instead to replace it. That is the key difference. Most re-releases, compilations, etc. derive value from the existing original masters. Taylor's re-recordings are an attempt to REPLACE the original masters.
The math isn't mathing... That's like 205 million. Madonna is nearly at 250 million. And in 30 years she'll likely go up around 10 - 20 million. I think it's possible Taylor surpasses Madonna's sales but it's probably gonna take longer than 30 years.
Saying she isn't massive in Asia and now you're saying she's overrated in Asia?
Are orphan track totals moved to album totals when the track is included in a rerelease? Ronan being added to Red Taylor's version for example.
You don't know what will happen to taylor either. She can totally slow down after her re recordings are over. You can predict the future.
Nah it'll happen by the end of 2026 max, she's on track to move 40m CSPC in 2023 alone.
Madonna and Taylor Swift are probably the most successful female songwriters. Madonna is 40 % responsible for her songwriting, while Taylor Swift is over 60 % for her songwriting.
40 % from Madonnas EAS is just under 100 million, while Taylor Swift's 60 % of all EAS is also under 100 million. Used vf site, where % estimations come from. Not exact numbers, but Madonna little ahead, 5-8 million EAS.
It's very hard to be pessimistic with results like this from an artist 16 years into her career but you always manage to think the worst.
I don't play to pretend I am a future teller like some of you Taylor fans. Some of you think she's bigger than Madonna or MJ yet she's not even half way there.
The realistic way of looking at this is that while she's very successful right now, you don't know how her career will unfold in the future. Look what happened to Ed Sheeran, Adele.. Gaga went from a global star to a joke within 1 year.
Interesting list from Kworb, "Spotify top albums by least streamed track" so basically the most popular albums, Taylor has by far the most in the top 50 (6), followed by four artists with 3 albums (Harry Styles, Bad Bunny, The Weeknd and Post Malone) :
Olivia Rodrigo - SOUR 253m
Billie Eilish - WHEN WE ALL FALL ASLEEP, WHERE DO WE GO? 214m
Bad Bunny - Un Verano Sin Ti 202m
Ed Sheeran - ÷ 199m
Harry Styles - Fine Line 170m
Taylor Swift - Midnights 163m
Harry Styles - Harry Styles 159m
Ariana Grande - thank u, next 144m
Travis Scott - ASTROWORLD 140m
BLACKPINK - THE ALBUM 140m
The Weeknd - Starboy 138m
Twenty One Pilots - Blurryface 137m
Juice WRLD - Goodbye & Good Riddance 129m
Harry Styles - Harry's House 128m
Taylor Swift - folklore 127m
Bruno Mars - 24K Magic 123m
XXXTENTACION - 17 120m
The Weeknd - Beauty Behind The Madness 117m
BTS - Love Yourself 轉 'Tear' 116m
Lana Del Rey - Born To Die 115m
Taylor Swift - reputation 114m
Arctic Monkeys - AM 111m
Dua Lipa - Future Nostalgia 110m
Kendrick Lamar - DAMN. COLLECTORS EDITION. 110m
Lil Peep - Come Over When You're Sober, Pt. 1 110m
Post Malone - Hollywood's Bleeding 110m
Post Malone - Stoney 108m
Twenty One Pilots - Vessel 107m
J Balvin - OASIS 100m
Melanie Martinez - Cry Baby 99m
Ariana Grande - Dangerous Woman 96m
Bad Bunny - X 100PRE 96m
Taylor Swift - Lover 92m
Bad Bunny - YHLQMDLG 92m
Ed Sheeran - x 90m
Kanye West - ye 89m
The Weeknd - After Hours 89m
Khalid - American Teen 89m
Drake - Views 88m
Taylor Swift - 1989 87m
Tyler, The Creator - IGOR 86m
Taylor Swift - evermore 83m
Post Malone - beerbongs & bentleys 81m
J. Cole - 4 Your Eyez Only 79m
One Direction - Made In The A.M. 79m
Lana Del Rey - Ultraviolence 78m
Sam Smith - In The Lonely Hour 77m
Drake - More Life 76m
Cardi B - Invasion of Privacy 75m
Rihanna - ANTI 75m
I removed EPs from the list btw.
you are right though, we don't know what will happend,but she has built a strong fanbase that neither Ed nor Adele could have done, they will buy everythinng she put out even if the GP don't support it, like Lover back in 2019, plus she has popularized again the idea of listeing the whole full album and not just singles,that's why her album tracks pull such numbers,what gives her more units than a normal artist
Lover was and is pretty big among the GP. It’s only online where that apparently isn’t the case. It’s the third 2019 album with most weeks Top 10 and eligible for 5x platinum for a reason. I would say a better example of how her fanbase will support anything is Evermore.
Lover was considered a underperformance at the time. None of the singles went no1 and were horrible choices and songs. What saved the album was longetivity because the whole album is actually quite good. It's just that taylor messed up the single choices.
