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 obro
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yes because the only thing that matters with female singers is there looks, well done, how progressive


   
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While I agree with you, it should never be about sex and only the music, it's clear that millions of girls seem to base their love of a boy band on their looks, as much, if not more so than the music.

Personally, I've found various female artists attractive but it's never influenced my appreciation of their music. I always thought some of Girls Aloud were sexy, especially Cheryl but I never once contemplated buying their music, seeing them live etc.


   
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 L145
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wtf ?


   
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 L145
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I'm pretty sure it'll outsell 30


   
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See e.g female backup singers for Leonard Cohen and Bryan Ferry.
Lots of young fit mimmies.
Expect that Cohen died in 2016, but i think that he still sings about perfect body.


   
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Her trend has been downwards for her last four albums now (though Folklore has a chance to reverse some of it), so it would be a surprise if her new album would outsell 30. Let's wait and see!


   
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That doesn't mean that everythng female has to be judged by their physical appearance!


   
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I disagree with you. Music has always comes first for female or boyband fans. I mean I love Britney & Backstreet Boys. Not because they are hot, but because of their music first and foremost, the fact that they were hot back then certainly helps but not the main reason. There are plenty of other pretty girls, Destiny's Child, Spice Girls, Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera or on the men's side N'sync, Boyz 2 Men who I could care less even though they were all hot back then. I just cant connect to their music. And I certainly don't favor Britney over Christina because to my eyes Britney is prettier. I just couldn't connect to majority of Christina songs bar a few.

I also think you seems to be very critical of female singers especially the pop singers, boybands and so on and their fanbase. It's a bit annoying how rock fanbase have a tendency to ridicule the pop fanbase or just pop music in general when the pop fans never really care what happen with rock bands.


   
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Looks clearly play a big part in it, why else would record companies, management companies etc put together attractive young guys for boy bands. While beauty is subjective, I can't recall too many ugly boy bands. So for me it appears that looks are as important as the music,

I can be very critical of all kinds of artists, it's just that female singers always take up the majority of comments on all music sales and chart sites, so obviously I comment on them perhaps more often than other types of artists. I agree some rock fans can look down their nose at pop, female artists, boy bands etc and act like music snobs, but some of the behaviour amongst fans of female singers is equally tedious and tiresome.


   
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If that is the case then how come somebody who was ridiculed for having crooked nose like Barbra Streisand became one of the best selling artist ever. I am not denying that looks played a part. But a big part? How many beautiful and sexy looking women have tried desperately to make it big in the industry but never did achieved anything? If its all about looks than Streisand wouldn't have made it and Jessica Simpson would be selling a lot more than her. At the end of the day it is the music that matters the most. If really looks matter so much more than music. Then I bet plenty of Broadway/Cassical singers would have made it big because there are plenty of beautiful girls singing Broadway/Classical music. Some even received heavy push like Lara Fabian and she was really2 beautiful back then. With her voice, face, heavy promotions back then she should have made it big by your logic. But she didn't because she was singing boring classical music at a time when people are moving on to teen pop. Her music was outdated, in other words music do matters to women.

Yes, but that is between pop fans and pop fans. I find most of them annoying too. Why would you want to add fuel to the fire? Honestly if there is a big huge fan wars with Queen or I dont know Rolling Stones or U2. No matter how annoying it is, I couldn't care less, because I am not a fan of them. Why would u always creep in every now and then? Seems like you are just no different than majority of the pop female singer fans.


   
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Think Bob Dylan bald and fat. Who go to see? I think Dylan is hyper about he looks and expecially hair is very important. Now he is old (81year) and looks old. Nowadays he is hidden on stage, 4-5 times comes out. That's true.


   
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"I can’t recall too many ugly boy bands. So for me it appears that looks are as important as the music"

That's a leap of logic if I ever saw one... Also, are you talking about female audiences in general? Or just female pop fans?


   
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IMO it doesn't work the other way round, men do not seem to be attracted to music through sex.

I stand by my original point and in all honesty, do not see why you're making such a big deal about it, it's not a dig or put down, it's just my take on it.


   
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Mainly female fans of boy bands.

It's obviously not based on just that bit, but also the fact that record companies etc clearly manufacture these groups with sex appeal in mind.


   
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 Jazz
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I never said men are attracted to music through sex. And I dont see Celine Dion or Barbra Streisand making sexualize music either, yet they are among the biggest selling artist ever. Its all so subjective. I also never said image or sex doesn't sell. It does, but at the end of the day the music you release must be good too to the ears of your audience. I think its naive of you to think its all about image or sex. Honestly the moment Britney started to sexualize her music I became less of a fan of her. I dont get her music anymore, and considering her album sales dropped a lot after that it speaks volume that sex is not a major determinant of album sales. I am sure she gain some new fans by being more provocative, but obviously she lose a lot more in the process. To think just because somebody is pretty you can make it big in the music industry is such a simplistic view. You need the hits to back it up. Or else you wouldn''t be any different than the thousands of beautiful sexy young girls you see in Hollywood who end up being nothing.


   
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No kidding I know that


   
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 Dtew
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It's only because you never knew why Britney went to that direction.
When she got more sexual, it was basically a liberation


   
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 Jazz
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I have my views on that. But I think its better if I keep my opinion to myself and not cause more trouble.


   
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 Dtew
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It's already destined to do so


   
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It is word Dylanesque. It means style, look like a Dylan- curly hear, thin, quite small, arrogant and writing style, singing style-nasal voice.


   
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She has a loyal fanbase and lots of reissues to hype people up, especially with the upcoming album midnight, so if she's ever gonna experience a weak year in sales gain, it would be atleast 5 years from now or longer


   
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Why is Ed Sheeran's 'The Joker and The Queen' remix featuring Taylor Swift, only listed on Taylor Swift's spotify numbers tool page by Chartmasters, and not included on Ed Sheeran's page? The song is about to reach100 million streams this week but only Taylor will be credited for it for another 100M song.


   
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Midnights will surely be bigger than evermore so the downward trend will be broken I believe.
I think even Red TV has outsold it or is about to. So she kinda has already broken the downward trend.
Hopefully the 1 single per album shes been doing is over.


   
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 Dtew
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Red TV is speculated to be at about 4m already, so best believe she broke it


   
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 nnvu
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red tv has outsold it so yea .. and we all know how evermore era went and its numbers are as impressive


   
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