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Red (Taylor's Version) has already passed 550,000 Pure Sales in the US and probably around 750,000 globally seeing that it has sold 70k in the UK.
with the addition of the 330,000 Chinese DLs (priced 30 Yuwans therefore the ratio is 0.6) that adds up to 198,000 EAS from Chines DLs.
all in all, Red (2012) has added ~950k EAS from Pure Album formats in 5 weeks since the release of the re-issue. insane.
Lmao, how? CSPC doesn't equal to albums sold, This is an analysis you guys say anything sometimes.
How? This is CSPC method, she didn't sell 110M albums lmao Britney sold 77M according to this website and Taylor 50M they've added singles + videos + streaming to their own derived method to give an analysis.
Hi Padilla!
Yes, the reissue has been adding stunning numbers to the original. As we stated on Twitter, she is already ahead of Britney Spears had we updated data for both at the same time.
Also, due to the new regulation of Chinese downloads, our formula for them will be partially amended to be as close as possible from the real popularity of the releases, and I can already tell that will bring her numbers a little higher.
Isn't it likely RED will become the most successful album of 2012 at this point?
it probably already is at this point since Unorthodox Jukebox isn't that far ahead
With the new chinese which avoid scams, you should count Chinese sales 1:1. Yes there the prices are cheaper, like everything, including salaries are lower. It is stupid to count their copies less because for example in my country, Spain, Taylor albums (and most US pop star) have a higher prices and they don’t count 1,5
agreed, + many elvis albums for example were sold for very cheap prices in the west and count fully. and for example Red (TV) costs 30 yuwans in china (4.7 dollars) which is enough of a price to be counted for bb200 in the US.
Hi Jorge!
For new products, this has already been decided at our end 😉
And the formula for older stuff will slightly be amended as well!
what would the new base number be instead of 50 yuwans for those older projects? i assume 35-40 yuwans ?
Yeah, I agreed that you need update new formula regarding Chinese download. If the albums are sold at higher price than minimum price for BB200 then, there's no need for conversion and should be counted as 1:1 which somehow can offset the weaker purchasing power in China.
Nothing is really out of the question, you never know what could happen in the future. it's certainly not impossible.
Why exactly? The gap between Madonna and Taylor is 136m CSPSC. Granted it'll take a couple decade but at the current rate Taylor is easily gaining over 10m CSPSC from audio streams alone annually, compared to 670k for Madonna. I mean if Taylor keeps dropping albums that break streaming records and still manage to sell in the millions in pure sales, it will happen and probably a lot sooner than you expect.
Taylor will not sell 10m units every year. She's going down and is past her prime.
Madonnas sales are increasing as well and she's releasing music still.
Taylor needs a blockbuster album like ROL and more highly successful albums, on RED scale, to even catch up, let alone overtake Madonna which I just don't see happening.
Go add up their daily averages and multiply it by 365. If Taylor is past her prime why was Red the biggest female album debut on Spotify ever? In what metrics is Madonna increasing, in a way that would significantly counter Taylor’s 56% YOY growth in Spotify streams (5.9B in 2020 and 9.2B in 2021, which btw is equivalent to 9.2m CSPSC for 2021 just from audio). Additionally, every indication is that in the streaming era recurrent streams don’t just disappear, they stabilize and then grow over time as platforms grow, so it’s hard to see Taylor collapsing that far anytime soon.
I think fans are unable to realise that CSPC is an own derived analysis and not a industry written rule, a lot of countries does not even have SPS to begin with especially Asian countries a lot of other countries have paid vs free streams while YouTube views accounting only happens in 2-3 countries.
It's an analysis not a measurement who is outselling who which seems to be your concern - there is a reason why IFPI don't have any Worldwide SPS to account for because with that every country has to join hands with IFPI and provide a method which is not possible.
I think Taylor overtakes Barbra some day. But I think is hard she overtakes Whitney, Mariah, Celine and especially Madonna.
I think that her outselling Barbra and Whitney is inevitable considering she'll only be 20m behind both of them by the end of this year (she's eyeing for 125m believe it or not)
her pushing higher depends on her next releases, her selling power is still insanely high but what her last few releases truly lacked is a huge smash hit, they all had moderate hits to underwhelming singles under their belts which is somewhat keeping them behind her her first 5 albums.
if her next studio album manages to get a smash hit à la "I Don't Wanna Live Forever" and a few more mid sized hits whilst retaining her album selling appeal she'll definitely have a blockbuster era. but this is all an "IF" for now.
so basically in my opinion she's gonna end up anove Barbra and Whitney no matter what, she'll challenge Mariah and potentially Céline but I do think Madonna is too far ahead.
i don't understand why the interpretation of the metric matters? Like the original disagreement seems to be about whether Taylor will acquire more CSPSC than Madonna, if your original comment meant outsell in terms of documented ifpi/label reported sales, then we will never know so it seems unnecessary to even bring that into the conversation.
