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I sadly think, she is most well known for getting her tit out at the Superbowl. Her image seems to be far more recognisable than her music, most folk could probably tell you who she is but wouldn't be able to name many, if any of her songs.
I'd say people did appreciate her music and take her for who she was, as oppose to just seeing her as Michaels sister or a Jackson and some still do, to a certain extent. It's just sad that, things other than her music, seem to be what she is most known for, today.
With regards to the UK, I'd say people of my generation are probably more aware of Janets music, than Careys or Dions, she and to a lesser extent, her music, seemed to filter through to the general public, more than Carey or Dion did.
On a personal note, I think Janets tracks have more of an appeal to both sexes than Careys or Dions. It's obviously a personal thing but Carey or Dion songs always seem like they are for women or gay men, while a lot of Janets tracks, seem for anybody. I quite enjoy a few of her tracks like Black Cat, What Have You Done For Me Lately and The Best Things In Life Are Free but can't seem to relate to or enjoy, anything by Carey or Dion.
"I will say Whitney has always been very big in the UK. Mariah and Celine whilst their names are well known never were truly big"
What ? Celine sold as much albums as Whitney in the UK, not including the Titanic soundtrack.
She's indeed very successful in the UK and Australia so she's definitely not "local". That said, I will need some serious data to convince me that she's "massive" in Asia or "quite big" in Latin America, all I know is that she sold about zero albums in Latin America and a few albums in Asia...
That maybe true but she just didn't have the widespread appeal that Houston did or does, in the UK. Artists like Houston, Madonna and Kylie became household names and transcended being just hugely successful music artists. Everyone seemed to know their singles and them, that was never the case with Dion or Carey. Houston, Madonna & Kylie just seemed to appeal to, be known by and be enjoyed by, a far wider spectrum of society.
Dion and Careys music seemed to only be for certain demographics or at least only appealed to certain demographics, whereas the others had the ability to attract everyone.
All time big 5 as in male and female or only female? Eitherway that's insane. This past year she has definitely emerge as a true streaming force. Her singles might not get massive streams(not that shes making trendy songs anyway) but her overall catalog is fairing extremely well. It's crazy that shes moving so many units weekly.
Female only. If Taylor were to reach Striesands and Houstons CSPC totals, there would probably still be at least 16 male solo acts and bands, with higher totals.
the brit awards just officially announced that her sales are around 114m in total...no Chinese sales included，I've always been wondering why the CM kept underestimating her global sales...
I just saw this and Twitter and immediately rushed here. It makes me wonder how truly accurate ChartMasters is. Unless she sold a whopping, 20+ million units in the last 8 months, there has to be some miscalculation.
Her sales here are very old. She released a new studio album, a re-recording, and Folklore sold a lot since this update here. I do think 114 million is too high though.
Chinese sales must have been included, cause it's an official announcement, also this was the number of her global sales calculated by fan accounts that were criticizing CM on twt all the time, (and their predictions were proven right many times before) so...
Claims from labels, publications, and organizations are made about all artists. Unless breakdowns are given, there's no way to know how the 114M total came to be. It's like how publications and labels often talk in "records" sold, or mix sales from singles and albums together, etc. This has been happening for decades, but now that we are in the streaming era, it's particularly confusing because countries weight streams in different ways. The whole point of this site is to be transparent about the breakdown and weightings of sales figures. What other information was given with this Brit Awards announcement? Since when are the Brit Awards a source for sales figures? Can you give any more information?
Hi Budada!
What about wondering how numbers are compiled to avoid comparing apples with oranges instead of suggesting there are bias here and there?
they said she accumelated 78 Billion streams... that's the only other information they mentioned
I think that BMAs and other organizations have more information about the sales WW, there is a lot of countries that only the record label knows and give the numbers to them
Hi MJD
Thanks for the prompt update. You recently said that Folklore sold 1.95m without China in 2020, but now in mid 2021 you placed it at 1.855m. Why did it’s sales decrease?
https://ibb.co/tHPGCh9
I thought Folklore was at 1.99M sales per IFPI in 2020 alone? Why 1.85M now?
And it's sold over 120K in the US alone in 2021....
Wonderful! She's a brilliant artist. Given how you mentioned that Coldplay and Rihanna also surpassed 100 million units, can we have an update on them too?
Chinese downloads are weighted as per their price, at selling price / 50, which is roughly 0.4 for Taylor Swift‘s albums
I don't understand this part actually.......
Hi Fanofpop!
Back then I posted this comment to one of your question that explains it 🙂
To be entirely transparent, to me it sold a bit more than 1.7 million. Estimates we do are spot on for all the albums except that one. My intuition is that physical copies ordered in August that were first redeemed digitally (which explains the wild share of DL sales of the album on Soundscan) have been counted twice in this list.
I’m not closed at assuming 1.95m for CSPC purpose but I would better hold the decision until the RIAA certifies the record to see how it fits.
For now I'm still in 'wait and see' stage, discogs suggest no massive Asian sales for this album, the early months of 2021 tell that there were no missing mass shipment, so I'm more and more convinced the label counted 200k-ish sales twice in the number they shared to the IFPI, the digital redeem at first and the shipped physical product later on.
Hi Donchano!
In China there are next to no physical products, only downloads, and they are usually sold at 20 yuan for standard releases, 25 yuan for deluxe albums. If an album sells 1 million copies at 20 yuan, we add 1m * 20/50 = 400,000 CSPC sales. It enables to offset the bulk buying which is very present there and is obviously bigger and bigger as the price is lower.
