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No OJD, I know the titles but I'm just not that familiar with them as tracks. I'm pretty sure, in fact I know, I have listened to the first two but they just didn't sink in or leave a lasting impression on me. I actually listened to her version of 1989 a few months ago and did actually like a couple of tracks, but I didn't really take note of the titles of the tracks I quite liked, I'm clutching here but I think one might have been "Slut".
Madonna was very popular in Asia. She sold over 20 million albums there and sold out stadiums. Maybe taylor is more popular but it's definitely not much more
Oh I know, especially her albums, but IMO success doesn't always translate to well known. I mean my favourite artist is Led Zeppelin, who were hugely successful but their tracks are not exactly that well known amongst the general public, especially in the UK, certainly not like tracks by say Bon Jovi, Guns N Roses, Journey, Police, etc who have all been way less successful in terms of sales than Led Zeppelin.
I do think that her music is gonna stay for a long time. Just like we know Madonna, The Beatles etc
Yes, it's completely possible, given that, as these current younger generations age, they will take her music with them throughout life, just like people have with The Beatles and to a lesser extent Madonna. I guess it's just that I'm a 50 year old male in the UK and while I clearly can see and appreciate her insane popularity, her actual music doesn't really filter through to me.
Generally speaking regarding to EAS, Taylor Swift in the long run will likely be at least on fourth place behind The Beatles, Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley, which is truly impressing if you view her success on an objective level.
But that's not the only interesting thing to me personally:
Through Taylor Swift especially I learned that music is almost always a generational issue. I am now 40 years old. I don't listen to FM radio anymore either, so I don't know if Swift is present there. Since I don't use TikTok, Facebook or Instagram to consume music, Swift's music is completely passed by me. Therefore, I would like to contradict you by admitting that I couldn't name or even hum a song of hers if asked. I'm pretty sure many people my age and older feel this way.
Please don't get me wrong! This is not meant to be disrespectful at all, as I am already aware of how successful she is. But for a more far-sighted view, it is always advisable – and of course this applies not only to Swift, but to all artists from any era – to take into account the intertemporal differences in culture and taste.
But was she popular in places like India, Thailand, Vietnam, Philliphines, etc.? I know she had success in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Japan, but I'm not sure about her success in the other countries. Of course, it's difficult to tell because I don't think most of those countries had official music markets when Madonna was at her peak.
I fully agree, I think we are coming full circle from the shock value thing. People are just sick of it. And Taylor was very smart to target very young girls in her early years.She created a cult of personality through social media. Those fans who grew up with her still love her and they remain fans to this day. Whereas I think Madonna started shedding fans eventually, with all her reinventions.
Regarding the Sex book and American Life, the backlack to the former was much more intense. I think it made her significantly less popular in America. A lot of people, even many fans, thought she went way too far. And American Life was basically the last straw, so to speak.
Why though, are Americans really that conservative? I thought she looked stunning in some of the photos in that book, although I was never a fan of the toe sucking ones lol. I think she's looked far worse and far more shocking, with some of her more recent style/image choices, than she did in the sex book.
Personally, although I have to admit I've never really paid that much attention to how she was with her fans, I don't think she's ever really cared what her fans thought about her or her choices.
Right but album success is the key differentiation between faceless and global A-league artist in the streaming era. Times have changed and it is important to adapt.
Taylor? Social media influencer? She's not even active on social media lol
LOL I agree with you there. The way she acts and looks now is just perplexing.
I think the early 90s was such a different time. But I do think we Americans can be more conservative than Western Europeans in some ways.
