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Also, I did the same question in Adele's and Taylor's Popularity Analysis. Can you answer me in their respective CSPC articles?
Witness will easily outsell Joanne in the near future because it has way better streaming...plus the Witness Tour is still going strong therefore the album/singles sales are getting a boost too!
the gaga fans arguing on ukmix are so funny. they really think they, a bunch of delusional fans who barely know how to navigate kworb.net, are better at estimating than someone who has studied every marked for more than one decade now. the reality is, this is as close as it gets until her label or the ifpi publish raw data. her fans dont like the fact her numbers are lower than the inflated numbers theyve been running with for years. gotta love wishful thinking and delusion. and gotta love how they think the estimates they pull out their ass are better than yours. imagine thinking joanne sold 60k in mexico when it barely sold 25k in france or 45k in germany. and this person claims to know about charts? lol what a mess.
Mr. Leonix. Actually there are 1 major pop star that has gone even worse than her. Its actually Alanis Morissette. Her debut album sold 33 million copies worldwide and she was huge back then. The debut of 33 million albums sold worldwide was bigger than any other major pop star debut. Her next album only sold 7-8 million copies, her third album 2-3 million and her subsequent album either barely reach 1 million or less than a million. Bare in mind that her peak was in 1996 when the market was so much bigger than during Gaga's time. So her fall from grace was much2 more painful than Gaga.
don't listen to obsessed haters as well. . .
thanks MJD for wonderful job.
Good morning, great article as always. I really believe in your estimations =)
I just have a question: the numbers we know about katy and gaga looks very very close, very similar.
What makes Firework at 12,8m and Poker Face a 20,5m when the numbers we did kknow before looks so close?
One more time, is just a question, I honestly believe in your estimations, I'm just trying to understand this huge gap between gaga and katy best selling downloads. Thank you
Hi JRVV!
Please find below her estimated / calculated ringtones singles in the US:
1 Poker Face 1425k
2 Just Dance 1375k
3 Bad Romance 900k
4 Telephone 600k
5 Paparazzi 500k
Then sales go down very quickly since later eras arrived when RTs were dead. There is LoveGame and Alejandro which did 550k combined and the rest is at most at 150k (Born This Way's figure).
Hi Anastasia!
Most online boards focus on downloads from a few countries, basically the US, the UK, Canada, Australia, France, Germany. While this is a good start, this leaves out two massive factors which are Asian sales and ringtones. To make it simple: Firework is massive in all the 'visible' units posted on online boards, weak in these two remaining segments. Poker Face has been massive in all of them.
Let's start with ringtones, here is their annual sales in the US:
2004 60 m
2005 170 m
2006 315 m
2007 362 m
2008 338,4 m
2009 305,8 m
2010 220,5 m
2011 115,4 m
2012 69,3 m
2013 39,4 m
2014 26,6 m
2015 21,9 m
2016 16,1 m
2017 11 m
PF peaked in early 2009 when there was over 25m RTs sold per month. Firework in late 2010 / early 2011 when weekly sales were closer to 10m. Although their releases seem close, that market was cut by more than 2 in-between. What's true in the US is also true in remaining relevant markets. They performed about the same on that format (PF was #13 of 2009, Firework #11 of 2011), but that leads to very different sales.
Then Firework wasn't a big hit in Asia. I have set an estimate of 300k for it in Japan + SK, this competes with 3,95m for PF.
One last element is that Firework wasn't *that* massive everywhere. While in the US/UK/Oz/CA both singles sold virtually the same (9,6m vs 9,7m), in Germany for example PF tops it by more than 3 to 1!
So that's it? You got no valid argument anymore so you come with insults to someone who argued (nicely) something you don't like? Well done. There is no room for this kind of childish behaviour. I hate moving messages to trash since to me everyone is entitled to an opinion, but if this is your way to go I'll start doing it for your messages.
