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The Other tracks at 1,23m was from a copy/paste of Artpop, Joanne's remaining songs did 180k, it is sorted right now!
On page 4 you have The Fame sales at 15,920,000 but then on the overall albums sales comments you have it at 15,820,000.
The studio albums sales (without EPs or Remix Albums) add 27,290,000, which should be rounded to 27.3, not 27.2, as you posted.
Funny thing is I’m looking now at your previous Gaga analysis from 2016 and you have downgraded basically all her figures... despite the SuperBowl boost for her catalog. Not only they’re not up but they’re down! Lol.
The Fame was at 16.2 in 2016 according to you and now it’s at 15.92...
The Remix was at 1.5 million and now 1.45...
BTW was at 6.9 million and now 6.71...
Artpop was at 2.2 million and now 2.11...
C2C was at 1.4 million and now 1.33..
Hi Nympho,
It isn't because Amprofon is a mess at communicating updates that you should assume streaming isn't included. Do you seriously believe that Avicii, who haven't even chart in the sales ranking, can be certified with pure sales? Of course not. They have been including streaming since 2 years which is why Drake, Weeknd, Calvin Harris, etc. suddenly got tons of Platinum awards. Let's get real, Post Malone's Stoney has been certified Plat at the same time as Gaga and his album hasn't even been released in Mexico.
If you doubt that they are a mess at providing accurate guidelines for their awards, just check their PDF file which doesn't even mention Streams are included for singles too. Just like CAPIF reduced its Gold / Plat criteria in Argentina to 15/30k in 2013 and 10/20k in 2016 and people online continue to use 20/40k just because it wasn't properly announced.
The 33% isn't absurd but logical, streaming is massive in Mexico due to huge YouTube usage and the large population in comparison to a weak music market. In 2016, the physical segment grossed $32 million in Mexico, nearly 3 times less than digital revenues at $89 million. Sales in Mexico are lower than in Austria, do you think that every rapper/DJ can sell 100k there on pure sales alone, while they can't get 5k in Austria? A bit of common sense is needed. Inside the sales chart, Joanne was the 52th top seller of 2016 in Mexico which means about 14k sold. It failed to chart in 2017.
As for MR, I'm 100% sure you are perfectly aware it performed nowhere near as well in Europe than in the US so why do you want to extrapolate its sales from there to the globe? It completely failed to chart in SK, it peaked at #29 in a dead French market before collapsing, it never went higher than #85 in Germany, etc. What do you expect? Also, it is confirmed at 1,1m in the US rather than 1,2m, don't forget that Complete My Album sales are excluded from RTD figures of Soundscan.
180k is what A-Yo alone must have sold worldwide.
Canada: 2,300 - 6,000 - 3,000 (11,300)
US: 7,000 - 30,000 - 18,000 (55,000)
France: 350
UK: 8,332
It sold close to 80k in its first weeks in those 4 countries alone (it charted in the main singles charts or the downloads charts of several other countries as well).
180k for all the album remaining tracks worldwide, 1.5 years later it’s not accurate at all.
The typo on TF has been fixed. Studio albums add for 27,19m.
It isn't funny but expected by everyone following sales figures. In recent times, we learned a lot of things including the (faster than elsewhere) collapse of Asian markets as well as eastern Europe markets. Basically, every small market on which it was possible to sell decently 20 years ago is now almost fully relying in streaming since majors do not invest money anymore on them. In the same way, Scandinavian figures have been adjusted since they too have been almost exclusively streaming for several years now. Everything has been detailed inside the Fixing Log article so the funny thing would be to see some artist go down and some others don't if I change the same formulas.
What's also funny is that when adjustments conclude on increases just like DL sales of The Fame singles you don't complain. I wonder why?
What about some seriousness rather than blind fanatism while talking about figures, nympho? You perfectly know that A-Yo dropped very fast afterwards, completely disappearing from the US Top 1000 in no time. No doubt you also know that it sold these units while it was a promotional single, meaning all people who then bought the album with the Complete My Album functionality (which basically all fans jumping on promo singles do once the album is available in full) are later excluded from these figures. I'm sure you also know album cuts failed to chart in all relevant DL markets when the album came out and they did 1/2k each in the US only. So, what would be accurate, assuming zillions of copies have been sold? Once again, let's be realistic for a minute please.
What does it have to do the Asian markets collapsing now or Scandinavian countries being mostly streaming based to you downgrading sales for albums released in 2008-2011 when streaming didn’t even exist?
Makes no sense. That affects albums released in the last few years, not a decade ago.
And yes, it’s funny because you decided to increase other artists’ sales in recent updates instead of downgrading them... It should be the same for everybody, right?
I just read in a comment here that you decided to include Ringtones in digital singles... and thus the increases. Why should I complain about that? Seems logic. IFPI included them. You should have done it before.
What it’s not logic is 2008-2011 album sales going down from one article to another because the market is dead now and dominated by streaming...
Hey! I have two questions: first one, did you forget to add “Eh, Eh” to the Digital Singles page? I feel like it sold more than the album tracks on the list. Also the 15M for “The Fame” include sales from “The Fame Monster” correct? So why add those sales again in “Other releases”?
Thanks!
You are completely off the mark. It seems you don't really care about what's true / real but I'll still take the time to give you a detailed explanation.
My historical formulas were compiled more than a decade ago - I started to study deeply records sales way back in 2003. By then, the market was global with tons of tiny countries doing well. When some relevant market had a notable up / down, I adjusted it, but without going through the market size of all minor countries again and again. While compiling Coldplay's article, I noticed my estimates were all a few percentages higher than the real figures from the label. So I went on into all figures, checking markets one by one, from all continents. I found out that small markets had collapsed much more than big ones, hence my figures extrapolating them from the known markets were concluding on inflated numbers. Naturally, I built more complex methods, taking into account the release date rather than using standard extrapolation factors for albums from all eras. I have been 100% transparent on all these matters, creating the Fixing Log article to show how it exactly works and providing the receipts that led me to adjust something.
That is why virtually all albums conclude on slight decreases. Just check Barbra's and Dire Strait's totals, you will see they are down from my 2010 estimates in spite of catalog sales. The rare cases of artists who still go up are the likes AC/DC who have catalog sales massive enough to off-set the adjustment in sales.
As for singles, ringtones have always been included. Here too I built more complex formulas to extrapolate ringtones as per the release year and the music genre, rather than a fixed amount. That's why singles from 2007-2009 go up since RTs were strong while 2013/2014 singles tend to go a bit down because RTs dropped faster than expected. Once again, it has been fully explained multiple times and the same process was applied to all artists.
Hi Manuel!
No figure is explicitely mentioned for Eh, Eh because I have no Soundscan figure for it, so not enough data to commit in a figure that will then be used as a receipt by other people. To be fully transparent, it comes with 630k sales in my Excel spreadsheet which includes 125k from France + Oz + estimates for remaining markets as per its streaming (both Spotify and YouTube) figures to establish its popularity.
Yes, the figure of The Fame includes The Fame Monster double disc. The one which appears under the section Other releases is the stand-alone EP that came out in North America, that one isn't accounted for into the 15,8 million figure.
Look, I know you dedicate a lot of time to this and you really love charts. I appreciate it. But you’re not the only one. Many others follow charts as well for years and years. You should really try to not treat everybody who don’t agree with you as “blind fans” or as if they knew nothing about charts.
There will be people in here posting things just like “my diva sold more”, that’s for sure... but others just love charts as much as you do and might have different estimations and think your numbers are sometimes not accurate (or that you’re biased towards some artists).
At the end of the day, this is not official, it’s a really good work, congratulations, but you don’t have real sales for like... 80% of markets, just your personal estimations based on chart runs and certifications. Some people will agree, others won’t. 😉
wow, her career decline is truly massive. From 33m to 2.2m. In just 8 years. Unbelievable!! That has to be the worst decline Ive seen for a major pop artist in the past 20 years.
I expected better from Joanne but the era was a total non factor outside North America tho, the way she completely lost her global power is amusing. I dont know why people call it a comeback from Artpop when it did worse in every aspect except Spotify. Album sales down by almost 1 million, single sales down by several millions, YouTube views also down and total CSPC numbers down by 40%. She never recovered even not even with extensive promotion at the super bowl and every award show.
Btw, is she the only major pop artist who never got to outsell a previous albums? Born this way sold less than The fame, Artpop sold less than Born this way, Cheek to cheek sold less than Artpop, Joanne sold less than Jazz album Cheek to cheek. Now i see why she gets called the "Cyndi Lauper" of her generation.
Thanks for all the great job MJD, and dont listen to delusional fans 😉
Joanne: 2,2m
Witness: 1,9m
One is supposed to be a comeback and the other is supposed to be a bomb. I guess the standards are different.
Do you know the main difference between me and 99% of people following charts? It is that most people follow one specific artist or at best 2/3, while I follow the entire market. On that situation, you can act 100% objective, you won't see it all. That's why you haven't notice Mexico was including streams for a couple of years, or why you didn't realize promo singles sales are then excluded from Soundscan when the user buys the album, that's also why you call "pre-streaming era" albums from 2008-2012 for Scandinavian sales while by the latter date streaming was already massive there. Many people believe we all access to the same data - which is wrong, but let's assume it's correct - but the big deal isn't about the data you can access to, the big deal is about understanding precisely this data. Most people online can't interpret correctly the huge majority of sales data available. I can't ask at all readers to be experts, to notice every little detail that changes the conclusion, that's why I always take the time to answer to people, to provide explanations, to be transparent about all processes. What I can expect from readers though is to avoid the "you deflated on purpose my fave" speech you were having. I do not treat everybody as "blind fans", you acted as one, here is the difference. As you saw, I can give you fully valid reasons for everything and explain what seems wrong to you, so no need to get into this stans-like comments and think twice before accusing someone of something.
BTW, there is near 0% of estimates on my figures. They are all the results of official data and automatic processes based on official data, that's why all speeches about inflations / deflations based on tastes is fanciful. Figures may not be official, they do obviously include minor errors here and there, but at least they will include the same ones for all artists, in other words they are fully consistent. The simple fact that some LG fan calls me a Madonna fan to explain why I'm "hating" Gaga shows how laughable these arguments are.
