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Yes, Phils solo career CSPC is probably higher then Genesis CSPC. Geneis weren't to much commercially successful(relatively speaking ) at the time when they were a pure progressive rock band(Peter Gabriel era).
Besides that, I wonder if Phil is the only one star who was more successful than his parent group from which he originated? Obviously, Michael Jackson as well is/was more successful than The Jackson 5, from which he originated.
Are there any other same examples, aside from those two?
Three I thought of relatively quickly are George Michael, Robbie Williams & Eric Clapton (Yardbirds, Cream, Blind Faith & Derek & The Dominos)
Phil Collins IS much bigger than Genesis, when we speak about records sales, i think.
I think both Ozzy and Sabbath needs to be studied before we can say that for sure.
Some others to throw in are Vangelis and Demis Roussos, both from Aphrodite's Child as well as Justin Timberlake, Beyoncé, Dr. Dre and Gloria Estefan (NSYNC, Destiny's Child, N.W.A, Miami Sound Machine) I'd also put a bet that Camila Cabello should be ahead of Fifth Harmony by now if not very soon.
PeterGabriel vs Genesis? Gabriel's ”So” album was massive hit. ”Us" was big, as well. it would be interesting to compare CSPC's for Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins and Gemesis, imo.
Why not just chuck in Mike and The Mechanics, Brand X, Steve Hacketts solo work, GTR and Tony Banks solo work etc, as well lol
Well, If we already have CSPC for Ihe Beatles, Paul McCartney and John Lennon (”Wings” are missing?). Or CSPC forJackson 5, Janet Jackson and Michael Jackson - why then don't have CSPC for Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins and Genesis 🙂
It cannot be denied Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins and Genesis was huge commercial stars. All of them.
On the other side, Mike and The Mechanics, Brand X, Steve Hackett, Tony Banks......wouldn't all have a one million CSPC together,
Just to add......I know it's impossible to do CSPC for every artist. And, ChartMasters team are allready doing a great work, really.
I obviously was not being serious about studying them all but Mike and the Mechanics have actually been reasonably successful. They would easily top 1m on their own, in fact, their first two studio albums would each pass 1m.
They've also a had quite a few decently selling singles, such as;
Silent Running: #6 US, #8 Canada & Germany
All I Need Is A Miracle: #5 US, #8 Australia, #10 Canada
The Living Years: #1 Australia, Canada, Ireland & US, #2 UK
justin timberlake nsyn
robbie williams take that
george michael wham!
enya clannad
beyonce destiny’s child
bobby brown new edition
dian ross potentially more than supremes but i dont know for sure
I think it's would be a very good idea to do the same work for Peter Gabriel and, first, for Genesis...
We' read here that Phil Collins and Paul McCartney are the only artists who are above the 100 million sales for their work with their solo career AND for their main band. For Macca, the work has been done, and well done, IMO.
But for Phil Collins, we just have a part of the picture... Hope for Genesis CSCP in the next future... Fingers crossed !
Genesis is top 10 on the requests list. You can vote for them here.
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"But for Phil Collins, we just have a part of the picture"
I couldn't agree more, basically half of his career hasn't been studied, which is a little strange considering we have Sting/The Police, Black Sabbath/Ozzy, Neil Young/CSNY, Paul Simon/Simon & Garfunkel...etc.
His total with Genesis would be around 255 million EAS, i.e. more than Madonna. I think he deserves a complete study of his career.
So, do I gather correctly that the top 3 persons to sell the most albums in Europe are:
1 Paul McCartney
2 Phil Collins
3 John Lennon
Or have any of the Queen guys maybe sneaked more than 10 million album sales in Europe?
The problem with this kind of lists is that you end up saying things like "Ringo Starr sold more albums than Elvis"... If you're wondering who are the most successful individual musicians in Europe, that would be between MJ and Phil Collins, both having sold around 100m albums as solo artists + lead singer of their respective bands.
At the moment Phil Collins as a solo artist has 152,464,000 EAS while Genesis have 114,414,000 EAS. If you subtract those Genesis releases without Collins (From Genesis To Revelation, Trespass and ...Calling All Stations... plus respective orphan tracks), then you'll get about 5M EAS. That means with Collins as a full band member Genesis have about 109.4M EAS.
Therefore, if you add both Genesis with Collins as a member (109.4M EAS) and Collins as a solo artist (152.4M EAS), you'll get approximately 261.8M EAS, which is quite impressive in my opinion.
Without hesitation Phil Collins can be named as one of the most commercially successful music artists of all time. Then, if someone came along claiming Phil Collins is unpopular, it'd honestly make me just laugh condescendingly!
Yeah he's basically in the Madonna/Rolling Stones range, with similar streaming numbers as well. His EAS total with Genesis is bigger than theirs but to be fair he was mostly a drummer on the 71-74 albums, with the occasional singing and songwriting.
Speaking of which, he was the only songwriter on his solo albums which is fairly rare at this level of success.
From around 109M EAS of Genesis with Phil Collins as a member, around 18M EAS from 1971 to 1975 come from recordings with Peter Gabriel as lead vocalist and Phil Collins as drummer and occasional/backing vocalist. So, approximately 91M EAS were generated from Genesis with Phil Collins as lead vocalist from 1975 to 1993 and again from 2006 to 2022.
Hence, you have 91M EAS of Collins vocally lead Genesis and 152M EAS of Collins' solo career which makes more or less 243M EAS generated from recordings with Phil Collins as lead singer.
This is slightly below 244M EAS of The Rolling Stones with Mick Jagger as the (almost exclusive) band's lead vocalist. But regarding to Mick Jagger as lead vocalist in general, his solo recordings are not counted here.
Jagger's solo albums would amount to a little more than 5m EAS I guess, and as you said he didn't sing 100% of the Stones' songs and Collins sang a few of the pre-76 Genesis songs so I think it evens out🤓 Also the Stones sold a little more video albums (which I wouldn't include in EAS totals personally).
