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Hi,MJD
https://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=36151
In this thread,you confirmed TIC sold 960k in Brazil according to WB.Is there a source for this or you faked it before?
Hi XM!
This message dates from 2006. Back then we knew close to nothing about Brazil, there wasn't even an official database available from the ABPD so we were left with figures found here and there on boards, most of which appeared to be fake once real data started to be known.
TIC shipped 123,000 units as of 1992. It crossed 250,000 units in 1994 mostly thanks to the much hyped stadium performances from November 1993. Continuous catalog sales pushed it to 500,000 units by 1998. Warner continued to audit their catalog along with the ABPD every year during the 90s, so we know these levels were met on these dates. The last catalog audit was done in 2005, by that date TIC was under the 3xPlatinum criteria. Then the last information available is that it shipped roughly 125,000 CDs since 2003. If you put everything together, I get an estimate of 750,000 units to date, with a +/-50k margin of error.
Hi,MJD
What about Mexico data(850k) according to WB confirmed by you in that thread?
Hi,MJD
Shouldn't True Blue sold 1.4 million～1.5 million copies in Italy?Is it the best-selling international album in Italy or top 3 or top 5 or top 10?Also,can you give the Mexico sales figures for every Madonna album to reach 4.37 million,please?There is no Mexico data for every Madonna album here,but that page shows 4.37 million.
Hi XM!
To be honest you are mostly wasting your time going through old myths posted on online boards more than 10 years ago. It's true for all these figures from Brazil, Mexico, Italy, etc. Me and a few more have been searching for tons of data, building way more reliable sets of data through the years. Retrieving old myths and erasing everything discovered since really will bring you nowhere.
From the top of my head, I can think of at least 7 international albums which outsold True Blue in Italy. They are Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon (far and away the #1) and The Wall, Michael Jackson's Thriller and Bad, Queen's Greatest Hits II, Beatles' One and Celine Dion's Let's Talk About Love. Then I'll need to study deeper but albums like So Far So Good by Bryan Adams and the debut of Tracy Chapman can be possibly ahead too. So True Blue should be just inside/outside the Top 10.
About Mexico, while we don't commit on figures for albums about which there isn't enough information, we still estimate the most realistic figure for them as part of global sales. Below are these unconfirmed numbers that we assumed, which should not be taken as receipts:
1983 Madonna 175,000
1984 Like A Virgin 350,000
1986 True Blue 650,000
1987 Who's That Girl 80,000
1987 You Can Dance 100,000
1990 I'm Breathless 75,000
1990 The Immaculate Collection 600,000
1994 Bedtime Stories 150,000
1995 Something To Remember 150,000
Madonna is the only female to ever have three albums sell more than 20 million copies--Like a Virgin, True Blue and The Immaculate Collection. That's very impressive.
celine dion also has 3: Falling Into You, Let's Talk About Love and All The Way
Whitney Houston also has 3: Whitney Houston (1985), Whitney (1987) and The Bodyguard (1992). And Mariah Carey is almost there as well: Music Box 34.135, Daydream 31.387 and Mariah Carey 19. 794.
Brando I think you mean Daydream instead of her debut. Technically, Whitney's second album and Mariah's Daydream just miss the 20 million mark by a bit. So Madonna and Celine are the only two females to sell have three albums sell MORE than 20 million copies.
Hi Lorrane!
The album was reported at 700,000 units shipped in March 16, 1988. In June 18, 1987 already, when the success of Xuxa was the news on Jornal O Globo, several labels were invited to mention their top seller, for Warner it was True Blue at 600,000 (same figure as Brothers In Arms by Dire Straits, the leader of Polygram). Its success there is confirmed even nowadays as La Isla Bonita and Papa Don't Preach are quite simply #1 and #2 on her personal Top songs on YouTube in Brazil. Then if we take a look at its sales evolution from 03/1988 to date in countries where we have more data, 900,000 appears to be the most realistic estimate as of now.
Of course, one may wonder why the album was certified Gold in 1996, representing 100,000 units. The point is that ABPD started to award records in 1990 only. From my experience, it appears they allowed sales from 1989 only to be certified, just like the RIAJ and the BPI did. That's why all albums that got certified start from that year (including Madonna's own Like A Prayer which is 2xP). The remaining 80s international albums that were awarded during the 90s got there thanks to their later catalog sales (like Guns N Roses' Appetite for Destruction).
Basically, it sold 700,000 units to 03/1988, 100,000 copies from 1989 to 1996, about 10,000 since 06/2003 from codes, plus 1988/1989 and 1996-2002 years missing. Former years are the most importants since TIC wasn't released by then. For all these reasons the estimate is set on 900,000 units to date.
How do you estimate 650k sale for True Blue in Mexico(I remember it certified 250k)?And 600k sale for TIC there?(WB confirmed TIC sold 850k in Mexico and 960k in Brazil,but seemed inflated)And what about 830k sale for ROL in Brazil and 700k sale for COAD in Japan all confirmed by WB?Is it possible that 100k certification for true blue from 1986 to 1996 by ABPD only counting CDs?I remember TB sold a lot in LPs, etc.
Also, MJD, why did you say that BPI only certify sales from 1989? True Blue certified 2.1m in 90s. And, I remember you estimate 1.7m sale for True Blue in France several years ago(1.35m estimated by Infodisc), why did it decrease to 1.1m last year?I know maybe because of overestimation but it is such a huge difference.Same about True Blue in Italy...(I remember you estimated it at 1.3m before)
Is there a link that confirmed TB sold 700k by 1988 in Brazil according to Veja Magazine?I cannot find it online.
Is there any info about sale for LAV, TB,LAP&TIC in Taiwan? On UKMIX it is said that True Blue sold 500k in Taiwan but I cannot find about it online elsewhere.
LAV sold 500k by 1988 in Brazil,is it possible it sold 150k from 1989?
