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(@Johnny Gnecco)
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Can you update Madonna's statistics please? Her Youtube accounts is fixed (90%). Almost all her videos uploaded there now. Some twice but they will probably get merged.


   
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Wasn't YCD and WTG Gold for 100k copies in Brazil?And ABPDZ started counting sales since 1989?


   
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In February 1998, Madonna was awarded a plaque for 5 million albums sold by Warner Music Australia. Maybe that is a round up figure lol


   
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Hi dhhd!

Goes on to show one more time how careful we should be with these awards! Even when they seem as clear as water to understand, they require some real attention to interpret them correctly. In this case, I added her album, singles and VHS sales pre-1998 in Australia, only to get 5.1 million units. Take off catalog sales of these records up to date, and add the 'new' (back then) shipments of Frozen / Ray Of Light, and you get that 5 million figure, which was thus definitely not awarding "albums" but yes records!


   
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ABPD started awarding plaques in 1990, but it doesn't mean sales pre-1990 weren't eligible for certification purpose! Among these two only YCD got Gold, in 1994.


   
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You said that ABPD allowed sales since 1989...then YCD sold 100k from 1989 to 1994?


   
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No, 1989 is when they were created. Just like the SNEP started in 1973, but sales before that are eligible for certification purpose. Same for the RIAA, or the BPI now.


   
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then why True Blue certified Gold?


   
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Who knows, this happened as part of a later audit already. What's safe to say is that Warner did an extensive audit in 1994 and that many pre-1989 albums were included, many going Platinum (which is way too high to refer to catalog sales only).


   
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Just Cyndi's ONE debut album outsold Madonna's debut, both came out in 1983. By late 1984 when Madonna released her follow up, Like a Virgin, it was "lights out" for Cyndi...


   
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How do you estimated 2.81 million Asian sales for TIC?


   
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True Blue sold only 425k through retail shops since 1991 (I know it didn't include club sales but double this figure is way too much since the figure was counted since 1991 not 1995) and it certified 7M in 1995. How did it climb to 7.7M sales in total?


   
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Based on discogs data, STR and ROL sold pretty well in China. M, LAV, TB and YCD were actually officially issued in China in 80s by China National Publications Import and Export (Group)Corporation.[I don't know why discogs didn't show them, these were offcially issued back in 80s when they were hot] But LAP was issued in 1996 and TIC in 1998 so maybe catalog sales were not much. Some albums were never offcially issued in China like WTG or Erotica or BS or COADF or HC. And in the Billboard article 1993/08/21 about China"The western music that does sell is
composed almost totally of icons like
Michael Jackson and Madonna or sweet balladeers like French pianist
Richard Clayderman, who has toured
China and appeared on national television." So Madonna actually sold very well in China. You can add little estimated legitimate sales for her in China😜


   
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Hi dhhd!

Not sure exactly what's the question. Anyway, this total is made of estimates of 1135k for Japan, 550k for Taiwan, 120k for Singapore while remaining markets got extrapolated with standard calculations factoring in the market size per period for the region and the strength of the album.


   
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Hi dhhd!

It's important to always check why an album was certified. True Blue wasn't certified on the back of continuous catalog sales. It went 7xP because from 1994 all music club sales were allowed into certifications by the RIAA. That's why for example Like A Virgin jumped from 7xP to 9xP the same day as True Blue went 7xP, in 02/09/1995.

That same Like A Virgin, which isn't that much stronger in catalog sales, went then from 9xP to 10xP in 1998, while it had sold nowhere near a million in 3 years. It's because club sales have put it anywhere from 9,000,000 to 9,999,999 when updated at 9xP in 1995, just like True Blue was anywhere from 7,000,000 to 7,999,999 by that date.

The question ends up being not only how much it sold since 1995 but also how much more than 7m it had sold by then. Since LAV sold more on clubs and got the same (2xP) jump, one can suppose TB was most likely in the lower half of the 7 million units. The absense of update in the following years, when several catalog records where updated (LAV, TIC, S2R, Madonna, Music) confirms the same.


   
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