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Pink and Avril is Pop Rock. Just look at their image. They dont look like a pop singer. They are rock singers. Sure there are some pop influence in their songs. But as a whole they are rock acts
Avril was more rock act in early years. P!nk never was. She started as R&B, changed for Pop and found herself as Pop/Rock. Now both of them are more Pop.
Hi Michael!
I have to disagree here, while from a pop eye singers like Pink / Avril can be seen as more rock than the likes Spears / Aguilera, there is no rock fan that will ever consider them to be rock, while asked about rock female singles Pink / Avril will not even cross their mind. If you type "rock female singers" on google, they come as the 30th and 40th entries of their scrolling list, to give you an idea Donna Summer and Aretha Franklin are sandwitched between both!
That's what I'm saying. Then don't add her in many popular playlists so we can see if she will do well. I've seen her in only 2 popular playlists and she still there. That's all. I just can't believe some of her songs aren't doing that well yet on Spotify, considering they were popular when they got released. She has many classics. La Isla Bonita as I said, got unblocked recently on Youtube and the views went from 5.000.000 to 105.000.000 in 5,5 months (u should do and update to her discography 🙂 ), but on Spotify it has 58m. Madonna's stats are so confusing...
The point Johnny is that they already know! From outside we tend to see playlists individually, check where an artist is / isn't. Spotify have algorythms to know very precisely which demographics listen to each playlist and which how much these demographics love each song. We have to see all playlists as a huge scheme rather than many individual ones. Songs appearing on big ones are songs that performed very well on lower, more targeted playlists.
The way to view this whole scheme is exactly this one: not-that-big playlists focus on pleasing a specific audience. Gangsta rap, joggers, 80s, whatever. There is many of them covering the entire spectrum of listeners. Songs falling completely inside the demographic of a playlist will make it. The biggest is a playlist, the most its songs will cross-over distinct audiences. They gained their spot there because everyone love them.
We can point out 3 main audiences - urban music lovers, pop fans, and rock fans. Like 99% of genres will be sub-families of these audiences. The largest playlists will include only songs that can appeal to all 3 audiences. Nowadays, rap fans as well as classic rock fans aren't listening to Madonna. That's why her impact on big crossover playlists is very limited, because she hasn't the audience for it. Most of her songs end up on a secondary league of playlists focused in pleasing pop fans, 80s music lovers, some love-themed up tempos, etc. These are still fairly large ones in reality, tons of former US #1 hits aren't even on 10 million streams on Spotify, so Madonna's songs on 30-60 million aren't like completely forgotten. These are still great numbers in their target, it's just that she doesn't have these few songs that rap, rock, and pop fans all enjoy.
Hi Nick!
Not sure if it has been true at some point, but it certainly isn't right now! Singles certified Gold or more in the US:
70 Drake
61 Taylor Swift
54 Elvis Presley
44 Eminem
44 Rihanna
39 Kanye West
38 Chris Brown
33 Kenny Chesney
30 Michael Jackson
28 The Beatles
28 Ed Sheeran
27 Kendrick Lamar
27 Madonna
Obviously, this mixes Standard and Digital awards, but that's how the RIAA does it. Anyway, Elvis for example has more standard awards.
Ah! I read on wikipedia she has more gold physical singles than any other solo artist. Another reason to take wiki with a grain of salt.
But Madonna doesn't have a MAIN sound. She's an artist that was changing genres with each album, from pop, to pop/rock, electronica, RnB, jazz, EDM etc. She's not just pop for sure.
It's not about Gold or more. It's about Gold. A lot of artists have more Platinum or Multi-Platinum singles but Madonna is about Gold. Madonna has 19 now. This fact tells more about her little-by-little success in US than about her past superiority.
People just imply that she's a girl. That's why she's pop artist no matter what her sound is. Rock is "macho music" and jazz is for intellectuals. Madonna is "80s music" only, etc. These stereotypes are still alive. It's easier to despise her like that. Finally she's managed to get rid of her "glores" and most of her admirers are really happy about her last two albums. No need to argue.
I'm pretty sure in non-classical music the image is always more important than genre. The majority of Avril Lavigne fans in Russia think they're listening to alternative music because she dressed like a teenage boy back and her glance was angry many years ago. Yandex Music streaming service even lists her as "alternative". It sells because she's not as popular as she was in the 2000s. Non-classical music business in general is all about that.
Even some classical musicians are using this method to achieve more success. Playing cello while being naked (really good musician, not just "slut")... Anyway, I don't think Madonna made more than three really pop albums - it's her first three studio albums. But people really mention her 20 #1 hits either in US or UK. I think that's a record for a female artist and the one you can add to this article - it's in Russian wikipedia table. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0_(%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0)#%D0%94%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F
Im América latina shes huge as Canadá
In all the tvs and radios she sounds increíble
