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Technically, it's not, it's how popular it's tracks are, not the actual album.
No it's not "understandable" that HIStory would be the only double album counted twice, and you don't know how much it would've sold without the GH.
Price is irrelevant, as I've said albums were much more expensive before the 80s, do you think that should be considered ? What about the price decrease during the 2000s ? Or MJ waiting five years between albums, his fans must've had more money to spend than others...
Hi Analord!
It seems you want to apply rules depending on how results fit what you would expect, that's not how we set the rules. They must be consistent for all. You say that Elvis' 2-in-1 release sold 1m, we won't do different rules depending on if the album sold 1m or 19m. That the Beatles are "#1 anyway" is irrelevant when we decide how we set up the rules. In the same way, you say "it's not that big a deal" for Garth Brooks, again, what matters is not how results satisfy you, but to set up consistent rules for all.
Sales of compilations are split into studio albums, that's true for everyone. Packages which put together several albums are assigned to each individually, that's also true for everyone.
Hi again Analord!
There are several wrong claims in your message.
Firstly, albums weren't much more expensive before the 80s, they were in the 50s/60s, but prices went down a lot relatively speaking during the 70s already. Secondly, the large majority of Elvis' album sales came after his passing, not before. Thirdly, of course Elvis sold bucketloads of budget albums (his Pickwick/Camden releases are famous, but outside of the US there have been even much more in proportion) and continues to sell a monster amount of budget albums, charting like 3x more budget albums than anyone else in the UK in the last 25 years for example.
Fourthly, no, HIStory is not the only "double album counted twice", every 2-discs albums which combine two distinct records are counted the same way. Fifthly, I don't even see how the gap between albums should impact our calculations of total sales, it seems that for you every reason is good to decrease Jackson's total.
And lastly, you claim that we "don't know" how much products would have sold individually. Actually, we do know that 19m persons bought 19m units of each the compilation and the new studio set. You are the one guessing that if both albums were released apart they would have sold less, and as 19m persons did pay to get both these releases, you are the one who would need to prove that these would have sold less if released individually.
@MJD:
What is your opinion of MidweEk bestselling UK Album Artists?
Music Week
Biggest-selling albums artist of the 21st century in the UK.
1 Robbie Williams (16,674,978),
2 Coldplay (14,734,824),
3 Elvis Presley (13,502,834),
4 Eminem (13,276,742),
5 Westlife (12,907,183),
6 Take That (12,613,279),
7 The Beatles (12,585,043),
8 Adele (12,402,363).
9 Michael Bublé (12,150,504 units), including 10,452,370 physical sales and 1,049,456 digital downloads.
10 Ed Sheeran(11,989,075) with digital downloads (2,208,972) and sales-equivalent streams (3,577,046).
They had Elvis @7.2m in 2012. But #3???? How???
Your thoughts,G?
In The league of David Bowie? You're insane! 🤣 🤣 🤣 Elvis is much higher than him! He sold several folds what Bowie has and he is certainly a lot more popular than Bowie, even more popular than Elton john, led zeppelin, The Rolling Stones, pink floyd, the eagles amd some current artists like Kanye West! I keep saying this generation of people know shit about Elvis and how huge he was and still is!
Only rock fans know about David Bowie but Elvis no matter what music type you're into he is known! Even hip hop rap fans know about Elvis.
So he's "still huge" but "this generation of people know shit about him" ? OK.
I don't think people really appreciate how extraordinary the numbers for Bohemian Rhapsody were. The movie made $911 million dollars world wide. To put that into perspective, they hope Dr Strange in the Multiverse of Madness will make a billion dollars, but it will probably make a little over 900 million. It is much more likely (and expected by the experts) that the new Elvis movie will have Rocket Man (~$250 million world wide) level success or below.
I see Bohemian Rhapsody on my cable TV listings at least once a month. I have yet to see Rocket Man listed on my cable TV listings.
Totally agree. Bohemian Rhapsody is the exception, not the standard to be expected. Elvis is a much older act with totally different music than Queen. That being said, he has a super interesting life story, and the 50s and 60s are a fascinating time in America. I think a modest boost in streaming numbers is a given, but only time will tell how just how well the movie does! I'm personally pretty pumped to see it
Does anyone know what kind of boost Elvis has had on spotify since the release of his biopic? The movie seems to be doing fairly well.
It's not doing well at all... Looks like it's gonna make less than the Elton John movie despite having twice the budget.
It has actually performed better in its first two weeks than the Elton John movie according to boxofficemojo. Especially in the United States (71.8M gross after 11 days for Elvis vs. 51.9M for Elton)
But my question was about his spotify numbers, not the movie gross so not sure what you're getting at.
Since its release he's gained around 100k-120k new listeners everyday and also has been appearing sporadically on the highest gainers in followers and the most viral artists lists. In the box office, the movie's outpacing Ray, Rocketman and Walk the Line. It should finish its US run around 110m-130m. enough to be the third highest grossing music biopic there; just below Straight Outta Compton and Bohemian Rhapsody. Worldwide it should finish second. Granted, with a massive gap between his film and Queen's. The 45 day window might be hurting its box office but will definitely give another boost to his numbers when it hits HBO Max.
It hasn't been released in my country but I can't wait to see it. I love most of the reimagined songs on the soundtrack. Hope this plant the seed in younger people to like him, just like Lilo & Stitch and the 30 #1 Hits compilation did back in 2002.
Walk the Line was made 2005 and worldwide box offices was 180 $ million and DVD sales was about 120 $ million. Movie about Johnny Cash. By the way, Johnny Cash over all sales is over 100 million, maybe 120-140 million EAS.
Yes, it's got of to a better start than Rocketman, but looking at Spotify, while there is obviously an upturn in his popularity, it is not looking like it's having the kind of effect on his streams, that Rocketman had on Eltons streams...well not as yet, at least.
He's gone up to 14,982,874 unique monthly listeners, an upward trend of 2.5m but that still puts him behind acts like Zeppelin 16,469,755 and Floyd 15,425,176 and miles behind acts like Queen 40m and Elton 47m and even some way behind Nirvana, AC/DC. Guns N Roses & Fleetwood Mac who are all around 23m/24m.
David Bowie is one of the biggest box set seller. Bowie is much bigger than others think. But Beatles is giant box set seller. But after Beatles is Dylan, Springsteen, Bowie, Pink Floyd, Zeppelin.. Springsteen's live 1975-85 five LP collection price 25 dollars or three CD collection 38 dollars year 1986. And this set sold 4,4 million US, worldwide over 6 million sets. And multiply it by five. It is 6x5 = 30 million copies sold. You can add 24 million albums to Bruce.
Elvis is like Frank Sinatra, singer.
You're "not sure what I'm getting at" ? I'm answering to your post saying the movie is doing "fairly well" which is false, it looks like it's gonna gross around $200m on a $85m budget (not good).
Comparing box office grosses without adjusting for inflation is pointless, there are at least two other music biopics which sold way more tickets than Elvis will (Amadeus and Coal Miner's Daughter).
Watched the Elvis movie the other day, it was quite good actually, probably on the same level as Elton’s, though no way near as good as Bohemian Rhapsody.
I noticed at the end of the movie just before the credits, it wrote that Elvis is the biggest ever recording artist of all time ( presumably there meaning sales?) which as we know here is incorrect as it is the Beatles. This seems the same sort of hype that has always been associated with Elvis record sales.
Walk the Line inf. adj. Domestic 171 million grossing (in US). Budget 27 million.
285m worldwide, similar to Amadeus and Coal Miner's Daughter. Straight Outta Compton would be about 235m.
Based on Box Office returns the movie has skewed toward an older demographic ("Sixty percent of the "Elvis'" audience was over the age of 35, with the majority being women over the age of 50"), not necessarily the best demographic for Spotify.
