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Great that youtube numbers on Brazil The discs of 2pac here always were expensive I remember when I bought the greatest hits I paid an absurd price and detail the cd wasn´t import AEOM and Makaveli I remember those 2 albums arrived in 2005 because a label of here got the rights to launch here before that only import even more expensive, high prices at poor country and famous for piracy mainly in the music market.
I still don't understand what you're basing this on... Why exactly do you believe that All Eyez On Me is “often regarded as the greatest rap album of all-time” ? Is it just a guess ?
I wasn't talking about critics, I was talking about real/serious hip-hop fans, i.e. people who don't only listen to the most popular and commercial stuff. It's not like I mentioned MF Doom or something...
Fair enough, lots of people in Brazil though, here's views/population for the countries you've estimated :
New Zealand 2.5
US 1.7
Australia 1.2
UK 0.9
Canada 0.9
Netherlands 0.8
Switzerland 0.7
France 0.6
Germany 0.5
Finland 0.5
Austria 0.4
Sweden 0.4
Italy 0.3
Argentina 0.2
Brazil 0.2
Mexico 0.2
Spain 0.2
Japan 0.04 !
How do you explain the super low number for Japan ? Also, isn't streaming much bigger in Latin America than elsewhere ? I vaguely remember reading something about that...
“At 79,715,000 EAS, 2Pac is among the 5 most successful rappers of all-time.”
I am assuming the top 5 will be something like this order:
- Eminem
- Drake
- Kanye (if not past 2Pac now, will be)
- 2Pac
- Jay-z
but for a complete top 10 at least would it be Lil Wayne, Nicki Minaj, Snoop, Kendrick, 50 Cent?
Because I feel like I’m missing someone, like where would Nelly, The Notorious Big or Beastie Boys fit in the list? Now that I think about it the Beastie Boys would be above Kendrick
I've just heard / saw it so many times. While I'm white, I grew myself on France's largest 'ghetto', I lived in Africa, and travelled through many places, always caring about details related to music. I mean, you can see AEOM's cover painted on buses in Nairobi.
In the other message you said you don't talk about critics, but elitists basing their opinion on them are just about the same. On ranker you can see a list less silly, and (un)surprisingly, the likes It Takes... and Paid in Full are much lower. I would say that on this list, albums at 1-6+8 are the ones always mentioned as the best rap album ever. AEOM, Chronic, Illmatic, GKMC, Ready to Die, etc. these are all 'often regarded as the greatest' rap album.
These are expected results Analord, at the top a group of English-speaking countries from NZ to CA, with NZ a prime market for black artists, then a group of western countries with a lot of English speakers and opened to the US culture for long, from NL to SE, then latin countries where urban artists are fairly weaker, and then Japan where people can't care about YouTube. You can check results of Janet Jackson, Boyz II Men or any other rapper the relative numbers will always be the same.
So it is a guess then, OK. I think it's misleading though, it implies that AEOM is the Sgt. Peppers of hip-hop or something which is obviously not true, even on Ranker (where Eminem is the "best rapper of all-time"...) it's only #5, way behind Illmatic.
And elitism and sophistication aren't the same thing by the way 😉
So you agree that "everybody knows 2Pac in Brazil" was a little hyperbolic then...
Of course it is, as even Michael Jackson is unknown to a lot of people worldwide in absolute terms. It doesn't change the fact that he is obviously a very, very popular rapper there, and actually bigger than the ones you listed.
May I strongly disagree with your definition of 'guess'?
The issue here is that you jumped on one sentence because you misread it. I wrote that AEOM is 'often regarded as', you understood 'the most critically acclaimed album', then switched to 'always regarded as' and then to 'the most often regarded as'. All these are different sentences and meanings. It's obvious that AEOM is often regarded as the best rap album of all-time. It's not a guess, you can find plenty of people who will mention it, and you can also find tons of random lists online where it's at the top.
Also, I don't think that being 5th, on a virtual tie with 2-4 positions, can be called 'only', nor that it proves the album isn't often regarded as the best - quite the opposite.
Absolute correct your mention MJD about 2pac popularity in Brazil in comparison others american rappers
The Beastie Boys would be around Lil Wayne's level I think, and Snoop and 50 Cent would be above Nicki. Also let's not forget about the Black Eyed Peas (60m EAS).
