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(@speechlesslove)
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Dearest Guillaume

First, it saddens me that you think I'm being biased, and even more so that you entirely missed my point. I wasn’t trying to prove that Miley did better globally on Apple Music than on Spotify. What I’m trying to say is that Miley's album Endless Summer Vacation performed significantly better globally and in the U.S. on Apple Music compared to Nicki Minaj's Pink Friday 2. Despite this, PF2 is being credited more than ESV because of your methodology.

According to your chart, ESV has only sold 900k more units than PF2, which is far from the truth. If the streams and charts aren’t enough evidence, let me present some real stats to highlight the gap in sales patterns between the two albums.

Here are the updated certifications ESV received before even completing its first year:

Belgium: Gold
Brazil: 3x Platinum
Canada: Platinum
Denmark: Platinum
France: Gold
Italy: Gold
Mexico: Gold
New Zealand: Platinum
Poland: 2x Platinum
Sweden: Gold
Switzerland: Gold
UK: Gold

Meanwhile, PF2 hasn’t received any certifications in any of these countries except UK: Silver

Additionally, out of curiosity, I took a closer look and discovered an even bigger inflation. Nicki Minaj’s total EAS in June was 56 million, and now it’s 63 million. That’s a 7 million gain without any new releases during that period and while her current album underperforms globally.

I’m not trying to offend you, but these inflations and deflations on your website—whether due to glitches or your new 'artist ratio' methodology—should be a cause for concern. It’s unfair to many artists, as well as fans, who once viewed your website as a reliable source.


   
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(@mjd)
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And again, you go on talking about absolute terms (with certifications) rather than relative terms, making your 'facts' utterly pointless. And you do again the same mistake pretending that "Endless Summer Vacation performed significantly better globally and in the U.S. on Apple Music compared to Nicki Minaj’s Pink Friday 2". What about trying to understand what people tell you rather than repeating the same nonsense again and again?

ESV was bigger than PF2, that's a given, and again, that's pointless to the discussion. What matters is the share of Apple Music (& other platforms), on their global total. And that's where PF2 crushes ESV, because despite being weaker in absolute terms on AM, relatively speaking it represents a much strong share of her Spotify numbers. If you cared to check, I illustrated it myself with SFG/Flowers, with one have 10m non-Spotify streams being nearly twice as valuable (again, in relative terms) than 20.3m for Miley.

Then you come here talk about 'comprehension skills', and acting as if you were surprising to be seen as insanely biased. I work on music industry sales for 20 years, I am a data scientist as well, won national mathematics competitions when I was younger, and you come here, with an obviously limited knowledge, quoting charts without understanding their methodology, showing that you have no idea how YouTube Music works, and tell us we are 'incompetent'. You started saying that you are the 'Admin from Team Miley China', they are in terrible hands if the admin is incapable of behaving respectfully, to understand what he talks about, and be willing to make fake claims out of ignorance.


   
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(@speechlesslove)
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Facts leave no room for doubt, which is why I cited certifications. But hey, let's gather around the campfire and share our relative terms instead! Why bother with tangible evidence when we can play 'Let's Make A Relative Comparison'? And if that comparison comes out nowhere near the real-world values, you'll just tell those pointing it out that they're living in a delusional world, and insist that to measure the height of a building, a spaghetti ruler must be used!

You admit PF2 was weaker than ESV on Apple Music and Spotify in absolute terms, yet you still say, in relative terms (according to your methodology), PF2 'crushes' ESV. If the absolute success of an album is 'pointless' in a conversation about music sales, what is the conversation really about? The spaghetti ruler?

Now, regarding your SFG/Flowers argument: you suggested that SFG's 9.9 million non-Spotify streams are more valuable than Flowers' 20.3 million non-Spotify streams by relying on relative percentages. But percentages mean little when the base number of streams for Flowers is so much larger. Just because SFG's non-Spotify streams yield a higher percentage doesn't change the fact that Miley's song had double the overall streams. In fact, this example exposes how your methodology distorts the overall picture. The question is whether you can't see it or just don't care about the absolute picture at all. If you don't care, then your website and your methodology don't paint a comprehensive picture of an artist's success.

We’re surprised by the hypocrisy of you calling us biased for highlighting your skewed results and misleading conclusions, where one artist's success is overshadowed by a methodology that gives undue credit to another artist in 'relative terms.' The truth is, your methodology is flawed and you can't handle someone telling you this because you can't take constructive criticism. So yes, you are incompetent, and if you maintain this attitude, your growth will remain stagnant.

You take pride in saying that you're a data scientist, good for you. Now imagine if a surgeon had his values so far from reality how many botched operations would happen.

And crying about respect? You must first give it before demanding it in return. If your team member talks to us in an argumentative tone, don’t expect us to act like Gandhi.

The only thing fake here is the numbers displayed on your website, but what can we say? Even the creator of the infamous 'New Coke' didn’t want to acknowledge the faults in his creation, and we all know how that turned out. Good luck!


   
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(@Clockingbell)
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It is bigger, 3,7M vs 2,8M for now. There's nothing to deal with. Good luck!


   
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(@madisonpurple)
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Why did Miley’s EAS sales decrease by almost a million?


   
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(@madisonpurple)
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Does Miley’s album sales include Attention: Miley Live and Miley Cyrus & Her Dead Petz


   
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(@madisonpurple)
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Does The Best Of Hannah Montana go towards her Hannah Montana album sales?


   
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 Al
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@madisonpurple Yes! See "Full Length related records Sales – Summary"


   
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(@madisonpurple)
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Just double-checking as it is different to the 2011 compilation album


   
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 Al
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Is this the release you're referring to: https://www.discogs.com/master/1619758-Hannah-Montana-Best-Of-Hannah-Montana

In which case is not included actually and should be in a future update, although it only sold 5k copies.


   
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(@madisonpurple)
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Yes


   
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