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That’s what the figures were at before the glitch. Is that all of it’s pure sales or are there more to come
Plastic Hearts has 3.5b streams on Spotify, while ESV has 3.1b streams. It's not a huge difference. Plus, ESV has more views on YouTube (PH - 764.2m, ESV- 1.6b), and on YouTube Music, ESV is also ahead, with Flowers alone reaching 1.6b streams. The bug/glitch has reduced her EAS, just like it did before but we got it fixed back then. It never increased her sales.
But Endless Summer Vacation isn't getting the majority of its streams from Vietnam or any other Asian countries. I can guarantee that this decrease in her sales is because of a bug, it happened before and we got it fixed last time too.
Do they just do album streams or do they also do orphan streams for the EAS
And yet, her cities with the most listeners:
1 Indonesia Jakarta - 1,504,258
2 Brazil Sao Paulo - 734,352
3 Australia Sydney - 696,195
That's 3% of her global listeners in Jakarta alone.
What's strange with ESV EAS from streams being a bit lower than PH when its streams are a bit lower? Her artist ratio is at 1.55766, a pretty normal ratio for a US pop artist ; and with the 1 to 1,500 conversion to albums, one can easily understand that her valid EAS will be around Spotify streams /1000 + YouTube EAS. That's in line with the current number.
Doesn’t mean they are solely listening to ESV plus ESV is doing better on other platforms than PH
How do they find out from certificates how much has sold physically/digitally and how do they take away streams from Spotify and YouTube
1)Glad you brought it up. It's because currently one of her songs, Angels like you is viral in Indonesia, but that track isn't even part of Endless Summer Vacation. I fear that's why her figures got recalibrated with ESV becoming a scapegoat. Or it's the same bug as before.
2)What's strange about ESV being lower than PH is that ESV is bigger than Plastic Hearts on other platforms by a huge margin.
On YouTube ESV has 1.6b views while PH has just over 700m.
On YouTube Music, Flowers alone has 1.6b streams.
On Apple Music again Flowers spent 168 days at #1, and on its 638th day it's still rising on the chart.
why you do guys only decrease Miley Cyrus Endless Summer Vacation sales from 4.6 million sales to 3.6M ? i have the pictures something feel not normal about this
Hi ChartMasters, this is the admin from Team Miley China. As many Miley fans show their concerns in the comments, we kindly ask if you could fix ESV numbers. Our team have done the calculations based on your formula, and it demonstrates that the current ESV numbers are wrong. Let’s talk in mathematics - we compare ESV with PF2 as an example.
According to your formula Streaming units (EAS) for Endless Summer Vacation just from Spotify and YouTube should be:
[{Spotify * (649/406)} / 1500] + [(YouTube * 1.1) / 6750]
= [{ 3,140,500,426 * 1.59 } / 1500 ] + [(1,544,154,000 *1.1)/ 6750]
= [4,993,395,677 / 1500 ]+ [1,698,569,400/ 6750]
= 3,328,930 + 251,640
= 3,580,570 streaming units meaning 3.5m
Current numbers on chartmaster = 3,388,000 meaning 3.3m
Difference = -200,570 meaning - 200k
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Streaming units (EAS) : using the same equation
= [{1,621,940,763 * 1.59 } / 1500 ] + [(196,700,000 * 1.1)/ 6750]
= 1,719,257.2 + 32,054.81
= 1,751,312 streaming units meaning 1.7m
Current numbers on chart masters = 2,526,000 meaning 2.5m
Difference = +774,688
CONCLUSION- The glitch has removed 1.2 million streaming units from Endless Summer Vacation, which originated from platforms like Genie, AWA, Anghami, QQ and Boomplay and others. It has also reduced the base number, excluding these platforms, from 3.5m to 3.3m streaming units.
The correct EAS streaming units for ESV is 4.7m the figure which displayed prior to the glitch. Adding pure sales it brings the total of 5m.
As we demonstrated, the current ESV numbers need to be fixed. Can you please investigate this issue? Many thanks!
Hi Speechlesslove!
I appreciate that you talk with numbers, that's why I'll take the time to answer in opposition to the most recent messages.
The issue here is that you are using the old, flat ratio of Spotify * 649/406, which was in place several years ago, when Spotify had 406 million users (up to 626m as of last quarter). Since then, the Artist Ratio was introduced. It's an algorithm which scans artists' results in geographical areas (thanks to the top 50 cities and charts showings), and apply the Spotify market share of each individual country to the artist results in them.
You pick Nicki Minaj as a comparison, while an US rapper has more streams outside of Spotify relatively speaking, mostly due to the lower share of Spotify in the US than in most parts of the world, and also the local black culture which favors Apple Music over Spotify. Our algorithm evidenced exactly that, artists ratios:
- Karol G: 1.35153 (weak ratio as Spotify dominates strongly in Latin America)
- Dido: 1.47015 (below 1.5 because she is strong in Europe and weaker in the US and Asia, where Spotify is less dominant)
- Miley Cyrus: 1.55766 (a typical ballpark for international pop stars which are relatively weaker in the US, plus Miley is slightly below the pack in Asia)
- Britney Spears: 1.57001 (similar to Miley with a similar profile, but with a better showing in Asia)
- Taylor Swift: 1.69261 (massive figures in Asia, including on markets with strong local platforms, and obviously stronger in the US than Europe)
- Beyoncé: 1.72641 (we reach Apple Music-favored artists, but with a global reach still)
- Nicki Minaj: 1.79834 (Apple Music-favored too, but with a weaker global impact than Beyoncé, so the US share impacts stronger the overall total)
As for your conclusion, sorry but it doesn't make sense at all. The last Miley manual audit came before ESV, so nothing erased its Genie, AWA, etc. streams, they were never retrieved. Same for YouTube. New albums are automatically added using the last album's Spotify streams to EAS ratio from a manually checked album, as naturally artists' proven history is more reliable than a default value. You then add 1.2m EAS out of nowhere, which are 1.8 billion streams, for platforms where the song has very modest numbers (for accuracy's sake I checked Genie - 2.559m, AWA - 107k, or Boomberg, where her discography totals 4.1m).
May I add that it's not intellectually honest to cherry pick the album with the largest extrapolation (for valid reasons as previously mentioned) to try to explain that Miley is deflated. Why don't you pick Olivia Rodrigo's Guts, which has a streaming EAS at below 4.5m (when you require 4.7m for ESV), with nearly a billion more streams than ESV? If only fans would show more 'concerns' for accuracy instead of their wishful thinking!
Hi Guillaume, first thank you for taking your time to reply.
Although we were not initially aware of the artist ratio, we compared Endless Summer Vacation with Nicki Minaj's album for the reason you mentioned—Nicki Minaj is more prominent on platforms like Apple Music, the same platform where Flowers was a massive hit, staying at No. 1 for 168 days, in the top 10 for over 230 days, and spending a total of 631 days on the chart so far. Endless Summer Vacation also reached No. 1 on Apple Music in 104 countries. Another song, Used To Be Young, performed well on streaming platforms like Apple Music and Amazon music. It was also in the top 10 on iTunes worldwide for five months, despite not having as many streams on Spotify and barely charting on Global Spotify.
Miley is not like other conventional pop stars, and her songs don’t follow a predictable pattern—neither on platforms nor across different countries. While we are certain that the figures for Endless Summer Vacation are inaccurate, we don’t place the blame on you. We understand you have a method and adhere to it, but unfortunately, Miley’s performance doesn’t fit neatly within that method. Nonetheless, we appreciate your response.
Are you using Kworb for those stats for AM? Their global chart isn't the actual global Apple Music chart but based on a point system rather than streams.
Flowers spent 45 days at the top spot on the actual Apple Music global chart and hasn't been in the top 100 since april this year against 82 on top on Spotify where it's currently sitting at #73.
Used To Be Young spent 19 days in the top 100 on Apple peaking at #32 against 22 on Spotify with a #8 peak.
I'm failing to see how she's doing so much better there really, she actually does perform quite normally for a "conventional" pop star if you ask me.
Yep, on top of Al's points about the misunderstanding of AM charts, let's just check some concrete figures. Below I compare first weeks of both Flowers and Super Freaky Girl, released 5 months apart, lead singles of the last Miley/Nicki albums.
Flowers
- 20,849,005 streams on US Spotify
- 41,130,000 audio on-demand streams in the US
=> 50.7% of its US streams came from Spotify
=> 20,280,995 non-Spotify streams in the US
- 96,032,624 streams on Global Spotify
=> the US represented 21.71% of its streams on Spotify
==> the extra non-Spotify 20,280,995 streams from the US represent an addition of 21.11886% to its Global Spotify total
Super Freaky Girl
- 8,783,893 streams on US Spotify
- 18,762,000 audio on-demand streams in the US
=> 46.8% of its US streams came from Spotify
=> 9,978,107 non-Spotify streams in the US
- 18,540,895 streams on Global Spotify
=> the US represented 47.38% of its streams on Spotify
==> the extra non-Spotify 9,978,107 streams from the US represent an addition of 53.816749% to its Global Spotify total
As you can see, despite the fact that their Spotify share in the US doesn't look so different, Nicki Minaj already gains 0.3269789 in her artist ratio in comparison to Miley Cyrus, because her streams elsewhere were much lower. She had hits which were more global, including some with reverse mechanism (say Tusa), just like Miley had songs which weren't as global as Flowers, that's why the actual gap in our algorithm is smaller (1.55766 vs 1.79834 - a 0.24068 difference).
But the point remains very clear - artists with a lot of their streams coming from the US, and even more when they are Apple Music-favored, will have a larger extrapolation ratio simply because their share of streams coming from Spotify will be mechanically lower.
BTW, it doesn't mean the actual number shown wouldn't move at all if we review her completely. The album (thanks to Flowers) did overperform on YouTube, and then songs downloads haven't been estimated, each would add 100k-ish to the actual total of the album. You need to accept that the 4.6m from streams were simply a glitch though.
Average eas 8,190 ,esv has been out since March last year,that's easily over 4 Million !
It's funny how you're quick to dismiss Kworb for using a point system, while your website is also extrapolating data through its own "artist points."
Kworb's Apple Music Worldwide Chart offers an aggregated view of a song's popularity over time across different countries, using a point-based system, as you already know. It also considers the weight of various music markets—something your website also advocates for. This makes Kworb a reliable source for predicting overall streams and broader trends in a song's performance.
In contrast, the Apple Music Top 100 Global playlist (rather than "chart") provides real-time updates, often hourly, based on actual streams happening worldwide. This playlist reflects what’s trending at the moment but does not account for market size. As a result, it serves as a reliable indicator of current stream gains and immediate listener engagement.
Typically, major hits on Apple Music only spend a limited time on the Top 100 Global AM playlist. For example, Harry Styles' "As It Was" spent 45 days at No. 1 in the top 100 and was the second most streamed song on Apple Music in 2022. Similarly, Miley Cyrus's "Flowers" was the second most streamed song in 2023.
And I hope you don’t "fail" to see how many days the "Apple Music favored" artist Nicki Minaj’s song "FCTU" actually stayed at No. 1 on the Top 100 Global Apple Music chart. You'd be disappointed to find out it never even peaked at No. 1—its peak was No. 35.
Meanwhile, Miley Cyrus is an unconventional pop star—one day she’s got a huge hit in the UK, the next day she’s topping charts in Asia. She’s big on Spotify one at times, and then she’s selling for months on iTunes. Then there are times when she’s dominating both Apple Music and Spotify.
Whether it’s because of her genre fluidity or something else, she’s repeatedly proven her versatility. Your "artist ratio" system is flawed when it comes to artists like her. Hope this helps.
Let’s look at some key facts about these two songs:
Flowers
Spotify:
--2.2 billion streams
--No.1 for 82 days
--Still charting after almost two years
Apple Music:
--#2 most streamed song of 2023
--#1 on the Top Global Songs Apple Music playlist for 45 days
--#1 on Kworb's Apple Music Worldwide Chart for 168 days
Super Freaky Girl
Spotify:
--575 million streams
--No.1 for 3 days
--Charted for 60 days
Apple Music:
--Not even in the top 20 most streamed songs of its release year
--#1 on Kworb's Apple Music Worldwide Chart for 7 days
You chose to focus on first-week data to compare two songs with vastly different longevity, attempting to justify your "Artist Ratio" extrapolation method, which ultimately deflates Miley Cyrus’s Endless Summer Vacation sales while inflating Nicki Minaj's numbers. This seems to happen simply because one is considered "Apple Music favored" and the other isn’t, even though Endless Summer Vacation has clearly outperformed PF2 on Apple Music. You also seem fixated on U.S. streams, forgetting that, according to Billboard, Flowers would still debut at #1 with streams alone, while also avoiding other major Apple Music markets like Latin America and Europe.
The point remains: your methodology is flawed when applied to artists like Miley, who may not always be seen as "Apple Music-favored" but can perform exceptionally well on the platform at times. It’s hard to believe that the 4.7 million update was just a glitch—glitches don't last for several months unless your team is incompetent. Although, after reading the comments, I noticed you mentioned that "you were updating the stats from scripts with the artist ratio that extrapolates streams," and the sales dropping immediately afterward paints a pretty clear picture.
What do you even mean by Apple Music's global chart "does not account for market size" ? It simply ranks their most streamed songs.
If something's not accounting for market size it's Kwob's chart as explained in their methodology giving the US, the UK, Japan and Germany the same weight and Australia, Canada, France, Italy, South Korea, Mexico, Russia and Thailand 2/3 of US weight again.
This makes 0 sense market wise when the US makes up half of Apple Music's userbase and Japan being the only other country with a substantial share.
The Kworb worldwide charts are simply made for fun and shouldn't be taken too seriously according to the site owner himself.
But if you can't even back up your arguments with a real chart I'm not going to reply anymore.
It's pretty hard to discuss with so much bias in front of us, I would like you to focus on real data rather than wishful thinking.
You rule out the real statistics were are 100% valid because it's first week only, speaking about longevity. That's pointless, I only mentioned the first week for simplicity purpose, the same conclusions are true for every week or annual figures. That Flowers lasted longer changes nothing, nor that it has more streams on Spotify. We aren't talking about absolute numbers here, but instead the relative strength of platforms. As I proved, Spotify coverage for Nicki Minaj is obviously much lower than the one for Flowers, which is everything but a surprise for anyone slightly knowledge about the music industry. If you want to keep replying, then tell us with real facts how Miley did relatively speaking more globally on Apple Music than Spotify. Good luck!
Let’s talk real stats—Flowers was the 2nd most-streamed song on Apple Music’s year-end chart. And guess what? Apple Music provided that data, not Kworb. So, what exactly are you talking about when you claim I didn’t use real stats to back up my argument? You deliberately tried to deflect and make this all about Kworb.
Now, as for your 'What do you mean by blah blah blah,' I meant exactly what I said, and you understood it perfectly.
Also, the Global Top 100 ranks songs based on daily streams, showing current popularity—not overall. How hard is that to comprehend for an 'analyst,' if you’re even one? And even if Kworb AM chart doesn’t account for market size, it still wouldn’t matter because it’s measuring overall worldwide popularity, not streams!
For streams, I’ve got Apple Music and IFPI to back up my argument. Or are you going to claim they’re fake charts too? Maybe only Chartmasters is 'real' in your eyes, right?
And by the way, the guy who created Kworb is a data scientist, and his website existed before yours. If your 'comprehension skills' took his comment about his site being his 'playground' to mean it’s just for fun, all I can do is laugh. And then laugh some more. I’m not here to be your English teacher and explain what that actually means.
