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(@analord)
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I don't understand why you're focusing on the "script" aspect, I mean music videos have scripts too...

"The main question is, does the video exploits the success of the songs, or is it the video that created the success of these songs?"

OK, so let's look at the specific case of Blue Hawaii : the soundtrack was released a month before the movie, peaked at #2 and spent four or five weeks in the top 5 before the movie was released... And you can't seriously say that Elvis' movies "weren't fan-targeted products", of course they were 😆

Also, what's the logic of including dvd/bluray sales of This Is It and not considering its box office gross ($260 million) ?

Anyway, I really think you should only focus on music and disregard the video aspect, I'm not saying you're doing it to advantage MJ but I can certainly see people believing that.


   
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(@mjd)
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How can we ignore the script aspect? It's the fundamental of movies. It's like a song without sounds, then it's not a song.

About Blue Hawaii, I disagree 100%. That the soundtrack sells first doesn't change a thing. Firstly, the movie industry is something else, it's way bigger than the music industry, even more back then, it enables to promote much stronger soundtracks than traditional albums. It doesn't change the key fact which is the songs were made for the movie, and original to hit, that wasn't a greatest hits package. Again, it's a movie project with a musical component, not the other way around.

And you can't seriously say that Elvis' movies were fan-targeted products. They sold so much more tickets than he was selling albums, it's not even comparable. Blue Hawaii itself sold like 10 times more tickets than albums. And that was with a well developped music industry, even in a country like France the movie sold 700,000 tickets yet sales of the OST LP, that you would expect fans to have purchase, were irrelevant in comparison. Most of his movies were family comedies, very, very far from a concert footage. It would be like saying that Bing Crosby's movies were 'fan-targeted' when he sold over 1 billion theater tickets.

You say that videos should be disregarded, this misses a key point, which is the definition of the music industry itself, because the video in these cases also has an audio component. The music industry fundamental is that it is an audio recorded and available on a media. The music industry consists in fabricating and selling this media, no matter if it's a LP, a CD, a cassette, a stream, ..., or a VHS or a DVD. A music clip is still a music industry product, it's music recorded available on a media. You can script it, but the script is created around the music, which is the core product. You can remove the script, it's still a song, a music industry product. If you remove the music, then it's a patchwork of images with no meaning.

A movie, even when we talk about a musical, has the script as its core product. Then you put it in place, with visuals, acting, special effects, and of course also music. You can remove the songs from a movie, that will remain a movie. If you remove the script, it isn't anymore. That's why This Is It is no more a movie than a Live in Bucharest video, and that's why Blue Hawaii is no less a movie than Titanic.

Had I to add the movie's results into a CSPC, then I wouldn't add the gross, as you buy no product, instead I would add a video stream, without a 'full' weighting same as audio streams, to each of the songs present on it. Again because the various video parts of CSPCs (youtube views or music video sales) are accounted for not for the videos themselves, but as audio products with a visual component.

This isn't about counting it all or nothing, let alone about boosting x or y, I'm just too old for this kind of stuff, it's about respecting the real meaning of each product and each industry.


   
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(@Donald W Ray)
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There's one CD missing from your list it's called The ultimate experience basically it's the greatest hits and the versions of the songs on it I like better than than on any other album of his.


   
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(@mikko)
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Ultimate experience (1992) include in Compilation figures.


   
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(@alanwill)
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Real Legend can be reflected in total numbers and compilations sales.
Greatest Album can still sold many in spite of Compilations.
Classic songs can't be judged only by its own sales.


   
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