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For me, It's not so much the weighting/ratios used to turn streams into sales that's the problem, more the basic fact that they are not the same thing, yet people seem to accept them as the same nowadays.
Saying that, it's clear in the UK that the weightings/ratios are too favourable, since streamings introduction, with regards to certifications. Pre streamings inclusion it was clearly far more difficult and seldom, for singles to attain the monstrous certification levels they do now.
In my opinion the EAS system is geared towards producing eye catching articles. Streaming generated by a fan who buy a vinyl shouldn't be included in the total EAS, because that fan before the internet era would have only bought one unit. How can you take into the behaviour of the fans? Taylor Swift has millions of fans who just listen to her all day, celebrate her birthsday....those fans generate millions of streaming and are the same fans who also buy the vinyls. Taylor Swift and the weeknd before internet would have sold about the same records.
Big sales in Italy in the 70s not much in the 80s. In 1974 they were one of the top internation bands bigger than they were in England
Yes, that's a good point, about someone buying a physical copy and also streaming the album and both being counted.
In the physical era, it would have been slightly akin to, counting the sale and then measuring which tracks were being played and how often, within a persons home, which was and is, obviously impossible.
You could even argue that, free streaming is slightly akin to listening to an album or songs, recorded on to a blank tape, free of charge, in the physical era.
and I meant "Taylor Swift and the weeknd before internet would have sold about the same number of records"
you were talking about getting certifications for singles. I knew people who couldn't afford to buy records, they didn't buy records at all or maybe one a year but they listened to the radio and that wasn't counted now they have their playlist and it is counted
Yes, but that's not completely the same thing. The listener has absolutely no input or choice in what is played on traditional radio, they can only really pick a station. Also, although not counted towards certification or sales totals, charts like the US Hot 100, do measure and use radio airplay in their compilation .
Although some playlists do operate akin to a radio station, there is the ability to choose a playlist by a specific artist, create your own, listen to one generated specifically from favourite artists, the ability to skip tracks and just listen to the tracks you want etc. So there is the ability to consciously affect what you're listening to, unlike traditional radio.
Hi Martin, In my opinion it is wrong to add album sales to streams. Vinyls are only bought by the superfans. Let's assume that the ratios to turn streams into sales are a good approximation, there is no way you can add physical sales to it, it is wrong if not deceitful. The rankings are distrorted, if we take them at face value Taylor Swift has sold twice as many records as the weeknd and their music is equally popular.
Hello!
For Genesis, If I add up the following values:
Original albums: 78,400,000*1
+ other albums: 28,082,000*1
+ physical singles: 13,910,000*(3/10)
+ digital singles: 10,010,000*(1.5/10)
+ streams in EAS: 2,270,000*1 on (10/09/24)
then I'll get 114,426,000 overall EAS on (10/09/24).
Why is here listed a value of 114,835,000 overall EAS instead?
Similar with Phil Collins, if I add up following values:
Original albums: 93,780,000*1
+ other albums: 39,905,000*1
+ physical singles: 29,910,000*(3/10)
+ digital singles: 22,780,000*(1.5/10)
+ streams in EAS: 7,871,000*1 on (10/09/24)
then I'll get 153,946,000 overall EAS on (10/09/24).
Why is here listed a value of 153,945,000 overall EAS instead?
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