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Nobody said RW wasn't successful.....it's just very weird how you came to an Eminem article to fight with people that "Yeah but Robbie's better though"...You're obviously an ardent RW fan. That's fine.
Thing is, a lot of your points were pretty random, and actually the whole comparison is random. They're totally different artists from different genres! You can list all RW's awards and concert ticket sales if you like but no one cares...that's irrelevant information, because Eminem stans could just as easily decide to flood this comment section doing the exact same thing, listing HIS awards, and ticket sales, and #1s in however many countries and records broken and blah blah blah......or do you think he DOESN'T have those achievements???
Irrelevant, on both sides. The only conclusive data that would matter is EAS. And yes - that 100% INCLUDES downloads and streaming. To claim it doesn't because it doesn't suit your agenda is illogical.
I don't even know why you wanted to start something comparing two incomparable artists anyway.
I did not say that Robbie Williams is definitely superior to Eminem, I have said that he is superior only in certain cases, including those I have listed and that I have not made myself up, I have listed Robbie Williams' records in the UK because some fans of Eminem on this page, said "I doubt Robbie Williams did more than Eminem in his homeland" which is the UK which is mostly wrong, in fact I started listing RW records in the UK. without discriminating against the great success of Eminem. if you can scroll through the messages, there are people who say "Eminem crushes Robbie Williams", "Eminem is much more global than RW", "Eminem destroys that guy there" etc ... so they are trying to discriminate the success of RW and to turn up Eminem's like Michael Jackson
"but i don’t think Eminem’s album is as great globally as that of Robbie Williams" --- > This is literally your first sentence on your first comment, and the thing that started the whole conversation off. Yes that person replied to you with the incorrect point about the UK, which we all agree was incorrect, but YOU were the one who raised the nonsensical comparison between 2 vastly different artists of different genres who have literally NOTHING to do with each other in the first place, so lets not pretend otherwise now...
You were ALSO the one who tried to apply asterixis (Only looking at some markets while ignoring others, not including digital sales, not including streams, not including data essentially of the entire last decade.....) to exclude numerical data you DON'T like because it doesn't suit the narrative you were trying to push, all while trying to shift focus onto utterly useless and meaningless data like awards or ticket sales. Surely you must see how pointless those things are when the exact same things could be said about both men?...Surely.
In conclusion; RW was brought up by you, on an Eminem comment section, only to say that Robbie's success is greater (which it isn't - it's only in a handful of markets that Robbie's sales exceed Eminem's, it's not in the MAJORITY of markets, therefore he's not the "more global artist", which is what Al very succinctly summarised above).
Robbie had phenomenal and unprecedented success, especially in the UK. Even more unexpected because no one thought he was the talent of TT - just the cheeky chappie and second "cutest" next to Mark...and then he found his true footing and exploded in a way NO ONE could have predicted (especially once he hooked up with Guy - they were a songwriting force when combined). All of that is true, and good for him, obviously. But lets stop trying to pretend you weren't the one who instigated such a random and pointless comparison. I honestly don't think these two men have even ever spoke to each other...I'm not sure if they've been in the same ROOM...the only possibility might be the Brit awards...that's literally how irrelevant to each other they (and their respective genres) are.
Well by your logic pop is the music of people who can sing, but have nothing to say...
It‘s a pointless argument, just stick to what you like. Personally I love music from all ages and generations, but I understand that that’s quite rare.
my first message was "I agree with you, but I don't think Eminem's album is as great globally as Robbie Williams's, who has climbed world heights in 20 countries and sold a lot more, especially in Europe, Oceania and Latin America, getting 5 diamond discs, but I don't doubt the high success and popularity of Eminem's albums ", so I meant that that specific RW album did more than the album by Eminem, but not all RW albums or the artist in general, but that specific album and that's it, I haven't even discusses Eminem's high success. In conclusion, I think that both RW and Eminem revolutionized the music of the 00s in different genres, both culturally and musically, I also believe Usher and Alicia Keys did the same thing in R&B, but certainly in a smaller way than RW and Eminem. , especially culturally, precisely because the R&B genre has recently been decreasing compared to the 80s, 90s and 00s.
Hello, I'm a fan of Robbie Williams and I know his story very well, since you don't know it or you are not well informed don't talk, thank you🙏
200 million club by end of 2022, if he releases an album. Wonder how much gap Drake will cover by 2030. But Eminem is great in streaming. So it will be tough to catch him. I guess in end these 2 will be biggest selling rappers of all time. Eminem with new releases will be like at 250 million plus . And Drake around 180 to 190 million plus and one day he will slow down too. Lol at people trying to insert Robbie williams in conversation where he doesn't belongs.
Damn outsold every female artist expect Madonna. Even she isn't safe in long run.
