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 Al
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So many people seem to misunderstand what global really is and think if an artist has big % of sales outside the US they're global and vice versa. This is fundamentally wrong. Led Zeppelin is a good example as I've seen many calling them local due to a huge chunk of their sales coming from the US. This statement is quite ridiculous considering they have solid sales pretty much everywhere including multiple UK million sellers.

In my opinion a very global artist is simply someone which sells well all over the world regardless of their US or overall total.

In the case of Eminem he's pretty near this criteria with the exception of Latin markets possibly, but taking the genre into account his sales there are also outstanding really.

I don't think Robbie is even close to Eminem in this regard really has his sales in places like North America, Japan and Brazil are terrible to modest at best.


   
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(@clockingbell)
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Well spoken! However, how do we quantify 'selling well' if we want to call an artist truly global? Isn't that also depending on how big the artist is?


   
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(@Dag.i)
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can I ask you something? Have you ever seen an unsuccessful singer in the United States making great sales around the world? and cmq I find that in Japan RW has made little success because the market in Japan is quite similar to the US one. and I hate people who say that without success in the US, even if you make great sales around the world, you are not a global singer. Robbie Williams has achieved unmatched records in the world, such as the highest sales in Europe in history for a singer at the age of 45, 2 diamond discs in Mexico, entered the top 30 best-selling albums in Australia in history, the largest concert in history in the United Arab Emirates with 25,000 tickets purchased in less than two hours, it set the Guinness world record in 2006, for having sold 1.6 million tickets in just 24 hours, but the records of that tour are not over , I advise you to read them, obviously not to forget the records in the UK that I wrote in previous messages, and I wanted to remember that RW has made double or triple sales in almost all of Europe and Argentina


   
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(@martin)
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Quite simply, we don't, we analyse artists and their sales and leave it at that, we let the figures speak for themselves. It's fans who try to manipulate these findings into these kind of categories or reasoning, with the sole intention of making their favourite look better or to downplay or degrade another.

The whole thing is pathetic. I'm here to work out and find out, how much artists have sold. I am not here to support my favourite artists or castigate artists I am not so keen on or turn the whole thing into some kind of competition.

The problem is that too many come to all this from a fan perspective, rather than a sales perspective. For them it's not about learning about sales etc, it's about seeing their favourites doing well and engaging in stupid battles with fans of other artists, in a sad attempt to prove the worth of their favourite or that they are better or more successful than someone else.


   
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 Al
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In theory it should be very possible to do well in most places without doing well in the US. In practice though I think it's rarer, especially when we get into truly massive sellers. Hitting it big there is very good publicity for an artist globally, especially now in with the internet and all. Plus if someone does well elsewhere it's natural to try breaking the US market next.

Robbie Williams and Anastacia I think are the best examples of exceptions in recent years but you had a lot of fairly Global European stars that didn't sell much there. In the past like James Last, Nana Mouskouri etc. Not to mention the countless of Italian and French acts who made it big in many places outside the US.

About Japan specifically there are lots non-Japanese artists who hit it quite big there that never touched US charts like Santa Esmeralda, Arabesque, The Nolans, Hedva & David, Betsy & Chris and Michel Polnareff among many more most likely. Even Björn and Benny from ABBA were successful there before they blew up internationally.

I would not say the Japanese market is similar to the US or any other, it's really something of it's own.


   
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That's not entirely true, in the blog about Oasis the question is raised if they're just local. Part of the analysis is to check how the sales are spread worldwide. But I agree you want to stay away from fan claims.


   
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Yeah it's borderline trolling actually, someone commenting on an Eminem article "yeah he's pretty big... Robbie Williams is more global though!"... They're not even in the same genre ffs.

And yes, Eminem is way more "global" than RW (if "global" means anything).


   
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(@Martin)
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I can't recall what is written in the Oasis article but I'd presume it is mentioned exactly because of fans making these global/local judgements in the first place.

My problem is, these discussions are not strictly based on whether or not acts are globally or locally popular but based on trying to put artists down or to assume some kind of superiority.

All of the analysis is to check worldwide sales, unless it is specific to a certain territory, its not for ammunition in these petty arguments and why does it even matter, what matters is total sales, not really where they come from. I mean would you not rather have Led Zeppelins total sales, which predominately come from North America or Stevie Wonders which are far more widespread?


   
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No, I'm not. I was just trying to help you out, with your English. Guess I'll not bother next time, as it seems to be taken as some kind of attack, rather than helping someone out lol


   
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(@Dag.i)
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you are definitely right, but I just wanted to say that RW is among those who have made a high global success. Regarding the Japanese discourse, I was saying that they have musical tastes that are very similar, for example R&B, which is a musical style that both countries like, this is demonstrated by many R&B artists such as Boyz II men, who have many sales in Japan and in the United States while in the rest of the world they are really discreet, so I said that the two markets are similar as in the cases of some R&B or Soul artists


   
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I already agreed with you about fan claims and I think the data on this website can stand the test of those claims. But this website probably also benefits from fans of any artist visiting here. And of course the number of LedZep is better than Stevie, but aren't geographical differences, just like chronological ones, part of a total analysis? Not that one is per se better than the other, but to understand, compare and contrast? Probably more so regarding artists with similar numbers, like LedZep and U2 or AC/DC.


   
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I'm sure the extra traffic does benefit the site, just not in a music sales analysis sense.

Totally, it's interesting to see artists total sales on a global scale, so parallels can be drawn, differences seen etc and I'm sure if we were to have discussion about LZ, DC & U2, it would actually be a rational discussion about it, not a slanging match, with the sole intention of making our favourite act look better, while trying to degrade the other 2!

My problem is not with looking at things globally, it's how some people use and manipulate the numbers and terminology, to imply a kind of global=superior, local=inferior. Also, quite often the determining factor in them judging if a borderline artist is global or local, is seemingly their like or dislike of an artist and not logic and rational.


   
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Eminem is way more global than and remembered than rw. Who might have got good numbers outside usa. But eminem beat him with streams and downloads outside usa too and eminem sold well over 50 million albums outside north america too. And has better distribution in every continent.

EMINEM Is way more global than forgotten has been Robbie and typical of white people to ignore asia. WHEN eminem destroys that guy there. Eminem is way more global bcoz his success is in every inhabitable continent . Whereas Rw has advantage of being european but failed in america. Eminem succeeded in europe. If rw is little ahead is south america, eminem destroys that guy in asia.

We can go on and we know whose catalog is valued worldwide. And that is Eminem


   
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Eminem outsold rw in 3 of the continents tracked here. North america, australia, asia. Rw outsold him in europe and in latin america difference isn't much. Hence Eminem stays way more global.


   
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(@Christopher Newell)
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Wow, seriously? Eminem has sold 190 million to Robbie Williams 75 million, it's a huge difference. Eminem is pretty even in sales in the UK to Robbie Williams and is the most successful act in the last 40 years


   
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Nobody said RW wasn't successful.....it's just very weird how you came to an Eminem article to fight with people that "Yeah but Robbie's better though"...You're obviously an ardent RW fan. That's fine.
Thing is, a lot of your points were pretty random, and actually the whole comparison is random. They're totally different artists from different genres! You can list all RW's awards and concert ticket sales if you like but no one cares...that's irrelevant information, because Eminem stans could just as easily decide to flood this comment section doing the exact same thing, listing HIS awards, and ticket sales, and #1s in however many countries and records broken and blah blah blah......or do you think he DOESN'T have those achievements???

Irrelevant, on both sides. The only conclusive data that would matter is EAS. And yes - that 100% INCLUDES downloads and streaming. To claim it doesn't because it doesn't suit your agenda is illogical.

I don't even know why you wanted to start something comparing two incomparable artists anyway.


   
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(@Dag.i)
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I did not say that Robbie Williams is definitely superior to Eminem, I have said that he is superior only in certain cases, including those I have listed and that I have not made myself up, I have listed Robbie Williams' records in the UK because some fans of Eminem on this page, said "I doubt Robbie Williams did more than Eminem in his homeland" which is the UK which is mostly wrong, in fact I started listing RW records in the UK. without discriminating against the great success of Eminem. if you can scroll through the messages, there are people who say "Eminem crushes Robbie Williams", "Eminem is much more global than RW", "Eminem destroys that guy there" etc ... so they are trying to discriminate the success of RW and to turn up Eminem's like Michael Jackson


   
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"but i don’t think Eminem’s album is as great globally as that of Robbie Williams" --- > This is literally your first sentence on your first comment, and the thing that started the whole conversation off. Yes that person replied to you with the incorrect point about the UK, which we all agree was incorrect, but YOU were the one who raised the nonsensical comparison between 2 vastly different artists of different genres who have literally NOTHING to do with each other in the first place, so lets not pretend otherwise now...

You were ALSO the one who tried to apply asterixis (Only looking at some markets while ignoring others, not including digital sales, not including streams, not including data essentially of the entire last decade.....) to exclude numerical data you DON'T like because it doesn't suit the narrative you were trying to push, all while trying to shift focus onto utterly useless and meaningless data like awards or ticket sales. Surely you must see how pointless those things are when the exact same things could be said about both men?...Surely.

In conclusion; RW was brought up by you, on an Eminem comment section, only to say that Robbie's success is greater (which it isn't - it's only in a handful of markets that Robbie's sales exceed Eminem's, it's not in the MAJORITY of markets, therefore he's not the "more global artist", which is what Al very succinctly summarised above).
Robbie had phenomenal and unprecedented success, especially in the UK. Even more unexpected because no one thought he was the talent of TT - just the cheeky chappie and second "cutest" next to Mark...and then he found his true footing and exploded in a way NO ONE could have predicted (especially once he hooked up with Guy - they were a songwriting force when combined). All of that is true, and good for him, obviously. But lets stop trying to pretend you weren't the one who instigated such a random and pointless comparison. I honestly don't think these two men have even ever spoke to each other...I'm not sure if they've been in the same ROOM...the only possibility might be the Brit awards...that's literally how irrelevant to each other they (and their respective genres) are.


   
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(@Robert kirton)
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Robbie Williams doesn't even write his own songs 🤣


   
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All RW hits were written by guy chambers


   
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 Dan
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Rap is the music of people who can't sing, but have a lot to say.


   
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(@massi)
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Well by your logic pop is the music of people who can sing, but have nothing to say...


   
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 obro
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It‘s a pointless argument, just stick to what you like. Personally I love music from all ages and generations, but I understand that that’s quite rare.


   
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Rap is the music of people who can write their own music


   
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my first message was "I agree with you, but I don't think Eminem's album is as great globally as Robbie Williams's, who has climbed world heights in 20 countries and sold a lot more, especially in Europe, Oceania and Latin America, getting 5 diamond discs, but I don't doubt the high success and popularity of Eminem's albums ", so I meant that that specific RW album did more than the album by Eminem, but not all RW albums or the artist in general, but that specific album and that's it, I haven't even discusses Eminem's high success. In conclusion, I think that both RW and Eminem revolutionized the music of the 00s in different genres, both culturally and musically, I also believe Usher and Alicia Keys did the same thing in R&B, but certainly in a smaller way than RW and Eminem. , especially culturally, precisely because the R&B genre has recently been decreasing compared to the 80s, 90s and 00s.


   
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