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They're just now shown in the breakdown but they are taken into account. Africa + Middle Eastern sales should be around 1.6m
So... I have a question
Using the album “Whitney” for exemple (and I can use any of Whitney’s albums):
According to you, it has sold 19.8M copies with detailed data from ONLY 15 countries (shifting almost 17.9M copies alone) and 2M in the others countries - not reported in the article.
But according to you, in those SAME 15 countries, “Oops I Did It Again” by Britney Spears has sold 15.689M copies. And you guys are telling me that this album sold 19.3M copies WW, so it has to have more 3.7M sold besides those 15 countries: almost 2x MORE than the sales ya’ll reported for “Whitney”, wich was a WAY more successful album (sales from those 15 countries alone proves it).
Britney article;
https://chartmasters.org/2019/04/britney-spears-albums-and-songs-sales/
So how can you explain me that a album that was way more successful worldwide has sold almost 2x less besides those 15 countries? It literally makes 0 sense.
In conclusion, I have 2 theories:
1. You guys are inflating Britney Spears sales (?)
2. You guys are decreasing the sales from other artists (?)
I really would like to hear a explanation bc I think there’s none....
Hi Work!
There is a very simple explanation: you are comparing a 1987 album with a 2000 album. I hope you understand that while markets like the US, the UK, Germany, etc were already healthy by 1987, sales of international products in many Latin American and Asian markets were close to null until they exploded during the 90s. Do you know that in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore and likely several more Asian markets (we simply have no data), History outsold Thriller? I don't even need to tell you that there are no possible comparison in the panel of 15 countries you used.
Also, why do you claim that Whitney was "way more successful worldwide" than Oops? This is just a lie. Both have been similarly successful globally, and if we focus in Asia and Latin America for example, it's clear that a teen pop artist formerly at Disney (the two main international sellers there) did better than a black Pop-R&B singer (which were notably weak in many LA markets).
By the way, outside of these 15 markets Whitney records 19% more YouTube views than inside them. Britney records 59% more YouTube views outside of the 15 countries than inside. Thus, even without factoring in the massively different market background, Britney is indeed much bigger in the remaining countries.
It's always better to check facts that basing your messages on bias or bias suspicions!
By judging the fact that “Whitney” sold 2.2M+ copies over Oops I Did It Again in those same exact 15 countries, the fact that I question the sales beyond them should not impress you that much, because it just simply makes sense. We clearly know that it has not sold only 1.9 million copies in the rest of the world as you estimate. That’s actually a pretty low estimation.
And although it’s a 80's album, I saw this happening in the article by artists who recently debuted also...
Like Rihanna for example:
what about “Good Girl Gone Bad”? It’s a 2007 album and you detailed the sales from only 17 countries (bringing 8.1M copies and according to the article, only 800k sold in the rest of the world, wich clearly is unbiased).
While comparing to a completely flop album like “Blackout” you have detailed the sales from 43 countries
How can you explain me that?! Or are you saying that Blackout was more successful than Good Girl Gone Bad besides those 17 countries like you are saying that Oops sold 2M more than Whitney even though it sold 2.2M less considering the same reported countries for both?
Work, do you understand that:
1) no matter if there are 5 or 15 or 50 countries listed on pictures, it changes nothing to global estimates
2) the fact that Britney has more details is simply down to the fact that a comprehensive breakdown of her sales was made public and kept updated for various years
3) in relative terms Britney is obviously more global than Rihanna
Also, you claim "We clearly know that it has not sold only 1.9 million copies in the rest of the world" speaking about the Whitney album, what's so clear, apart the fact that you are talking on the back of wishful thinking alone? Repeating claims won't make them true.
Hello MJD , what are your estimations of Whitney's albums sales in Argentina , Mexico and Brasil besides The Bodyguard? for the markets that are N/A i read that you use some formula were there's no certification/known sales.
To those creators of this site, especially MJD, we need an update for Whitney's article since it's already longer than we expected.
Can you please correct in Page 34 at the article, the seventh album doesn't have question mark(?) in it's name, which looks like (Just Whitney?) instead of the correct one (Just Whitney)
Mariah was never a huge touring act, even at her commercial peak, she only did like 13 shows total. Whitney Houston was a touring machine, doing over 400 shows between 1985 - 1999, but she toured before ticket prices spiked thru the roof, during the 00's and 10's. She didn't overcharge people to come see her during her peak in the Bodyguard years too. Madonna's touring numbers were good in the 80's & 90's, but she didn't start bringing in huge numbers until the 2000's, when artists started charging hundreds - thousands of dollars for 2 hour shows. Celine benefited from this as well in Vegas (doing over 1,000 shows there), and her world tours during the 00's and 10's.
Only Michael Jackson, Tina Turner & a select few rock bands had insane touring numbers before the ticket inflation happened during the 2000's.
What's interesting is that even in the 80s and 90s Madonna far outgrossed both Whitney and Tina if you compare how many concerts they did.
Tina for example did hundreds of shows on her tours, but Madonnas tours were far more successful if you compare how much they grossed with the number of shows they did.
Tina Turner Break Every Rule tour made 60 million out of 218 shows.
Madonnas Who's That Girl made 25 million out of 38 shows.
Or maybe other females couldn't afford to charge as high prices as Madonna?
That shows a lot about Madonnas star power if anything.
Yes, Barbra Streisand charges even more than her. But its still greedy imo. Adele is starting to do it now. Horrible.
HI MDJ, can you tell us how many physical singles has whitney houston sold in USA?
Ridiculous. She can charge higher ticket prices because there is demands for her. Whiteney & Tina couldn't charge as high because if they did, tickets wouldn't sold out.
Actually it's not about the demand though, prices of tickets depends on Artist want to charge their fans, because even Tina Turner who break the most attended female concert of all time, Madonna still charges higher than her ever since before, this also applies with the likes of other artists like Celine who's also had a concert in the Philippines which had lasted two days sold out, far less expensive than Madonna's one day concert.
Yeah but Whitney out sold her Whitney's first 2 albums were at 32 million in sales in 1990. She was then called the Queen of pop and retained that title until she passed! Then Madonna started to claim it. Let's not forget Madonna said Whitney gave her nightmares about the billboard charts! Whitney was a supernova this chart system can't rally grasp how big she was that's why she has a HUGE movie career that Madonna never could do!
Actually Whitney's bodyguard tour was charging over 100 per ticket in 1993 at her arena dates Madonna was not charging that much. But Whitney was a giver she never took more then she needed unlike Madonna and the rest of the girls. This is why she don't have many writing credits. She could have stolen some like the other girls but she was really a giver and not a TAKER!
Hey, MDJ. Do you think is possible to update Whitney's numbers after the release of "I Wanna Dance with Somebody" (the movie)?
High time her numbers got updated... she's a legend after all and her numbers haven't been up to date for a loooong time
LAV, True Blue and Like a Prayer outsold Whitney's first three albums by a significant margin per the equivalent album sales stats on this site.
Hopefully she gets her own article and streaming masters soon, her numbers have changed quire a lot, especially with I Wanna Dance With Somebody doing very well on Spotify, Higher Love as new song and decent hit
