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Hi RLAAMJR!
Gus is correct, answering this message would be basically completing CSPC articles of all artists that ever had good sales in at least one format! I'll need at least 2 good years 😉
MJD, is it possible that when you update Celine Dion's Popularity Analysis, you add a page of the list of her albums, english and french and comment about it cos well, I wanna hear what you can say how she dominated in the 90s especially the last half of the 90s where all her albums sold a lot. 🙂
Hello MJD, do you have the by country sales of the others copilations? ^^
I guess the bottom line is -- how many copies of the soundtrack do you think would have been sold in lieu of Celine's song? Without MHWGO, I doubt the Titanic soundtrack crosses 10m WW (Forrest Gump soundtrack had numerous classic hits included on it), and that's not nothing. It's true that consumers had two alternatives to purchase, but I still think it's fair to say the vast majority of people purchasing the Titanic soundtrack did so entirely because of Celine's song that was on the album.
Hi Geoffrey,
I don't think it is a bottom line at all - in fact this question is irrelevant. You ask how many copies would have sold the Soundtrack without the single, assuming there would be no song replacing it. 3 questions that each completely destroy your point:
1) How many copies of the soundtrack do you think would have been sold if the movie was a big flop? In fact, close to 0. So your argument works both ways.
2) How many copies of the soundtrack do you think would have been sold in lieu of Celine's vocals? In fact, without her, the movie and Soundtrack would still have been released, MHWGO too, we would have got Mariah or Shania or Whitney or whoever singing it instead, and it would have been a terrific smash the same way it has been.
3) How many copies of LTAL do you think would have been sold in lieu of Celine's participation in the Titanic Soundtrack? In fact seeing the start of the album, most likely somewhere between 10 and 15 million WW, not more. In the same way, All The Way would have sold notably less.
Thus, Celine hasn't created the value, the success of the movie and the song - and I mean the song, not the vocals - did the job. Celine already amassed tons of sales thanks to those vocals. She earned more from James Horner calling her than James Horner earned from Celine answering the call.
I made no such assumption - my point is as soon as the song became hers it's part of her discography and any sales generated by it should be considered as part of her career sales. The song would no doubt have been a hit if it had been sung by another powerhouse vocalist, but it's an irrelevant consideration because the song was given to her.
We don't (for instance) take into consideration how the songs Dr. Luke wrote for Katy Perry could have been likely hits with a number of other different hot pop artists of our time. Once the songs were given to her, the sales generated are credited to her career regardless of who truly deserves the credit for their success.
MHWGO is Celine's song and that song was undoubtedly the driving force behind the bulk of the Titanic soundtrack's sales. If the song had been sung by Whitney instead, I would argue that the soundtrack sales should be considered as part of her career sales no different from how she is credited for The Bodyguard's sales.
Hi Geoffrey,
Yes, MHWGO sales should be attributed to Celine - in fact, they are, its singles sales, downloads and streams are accounted for inside the article. Titanic soundtrack is not a Celine album, it is a James Horner album. Thus, your argument of credits completely backlash against your own purpose, which is exactly the point I was making.
It would be quite ridiculous to add Titanic Soundtrack into Celine sales as the large majority of the Soundtrack buyers were the same as LTAL buyers. Do you seriously believe the near 20 million purchasers in common bought both albums for one song only? Obviously not, the explicitely wanted to by the Soundtrack, you just need to accept it.
I guess my point would be that those who wanted to buy the soundtrack were incentivized to do so by and large as a result of the song more than any of James Horner's instrumental tracks.
I understand the problem of double-dipping sales between the soundtrack and LTAL, but I think it's fair to say a large portion of the soundtrack's sales are attributable to the song more than anything else.
You would (rightfully) give Whitney credit for IWALY's single sales (and sales it has generated on GH collections over the years) in addition to the sales from the soundtrack itself -- her song generated those sales.
^Whoops meant to post as a continuation of the earlier discussion thread above. At either rate, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, and I respect your methodology and research just the same.
D'eux is the best selling album in France and 7 of Celine Dion's albums have reached diamond status. 17 of her albums debuted at #1 in France.
How popular is Celine Dion in France exactly? is it all parts of France who love her? is it like prolly every family has at least one of her albums? Would you always hear a Celine Dion song if you go to France?
She really did climb to the top of the game slowly but steadily. Most artist like Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Britney Spears, etc. Became a successful artist with their first album. Celine is a different case. Which makes her career one of the most interesting in the music industry to me.
1- Hey, since yall posted Céline's analyses almost 1 year ago, can yall update Céline's numbers for Falling Into You???? In 2017 its sales in Denmark were updated and it received an eight platinum certification! I feel that the 29m+ mark for Fiy is REAL [ http://www.ifpi.dk/?q=content%2Fceline-dion-falling-you ]
2- Also, since ''Let's Talk About Love'' opened the doors for Céline in some countries, what didn't it receive any certification in Denmark? Is it possible???? I'm sure it has the 30m mark with some hidden figures
