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Hi djdj!
The album moved 1.68 million in Asia-Pacific, that's very different from Southeast Asia! It includes not only Japan but also Australia / New-Zealand 🙂
Hi but!
Thanks for noticing, it has been fixed 🙂
About TSC, I only moved to automatic formulas for each region and it appears TSC was too high for Europe, possibly due to the old formula that works well for albums until mid 00s but not for more recent records because of the collapse of several Eastern markets.
Hi,MJD
it hasn't been fixed "At 31,192,000 EAS, …Baby One More Time is the second most successful album from 1999."
Oops, I missed that one, done!
There was also someone asking which album from 1999 was ahead, it's Santana's Supernatural that should come on top.
But according to the Brtiney promo book, both BOMT and OIDA went platinum in "9" Asia-Pacific countries. Then, I search for them in the lists, Asian countries that went platinum in the lists is Japan, Korea, Indonesia, Thailand, Taiwan, Philippines, Malaysia, India, Hong Kong and Singapore. That's 10 Asian countries which both BOMT and OIDA went platinum by then. So, the "9" Asia-Pacific countries absolutely refer to Southeast Asia, which was not including Japan. I guess that "Asia-Pacific" thing in the OIDA promo book is the same, but with Chinese sales included, because there were no certification levels in China in 2000/2001, but of course they do sell in China. Maybe they even include the import sales in Vietnam, since Britney was massively popular in Vietnam.
Sony always inflate there sales by rounding up, even when they are reporting regional sales. For example, in 90s Billboard magazine reported that FIY sold over 1 million copies in Australia according to Sony. Then in 10s, it is certifed for 13xPlatinum=910k. So they always report rounding up figure as "over". in 1999 Billboard magazine report 300k Latin American sales for OT6, 1 million for RM and 2 million for LTAL according to Sony, which all seemed like rounding up figures. Then they are faking lots of IFPI European certifications for 90s albums by Celine in 00s, witch was undoubtly false since their initial IFPI European certifications were much lower. When they reported 1 million Japan sales for GHMP, maybe the real fugre was just around 900k. When they report the 500k figure for ITZ, maybe it sold 400-500k in reality.
Your supposition doesn't work. Firstly, they don't write 9 Plat countries, they say 4 Plat and 5 3xP or more for BOMT, and 4 and 5 2xP or more for Oops. Sticking to Southeast Asian countries works with none of these 4 totals. From your list, India, Taiwan and Hong Kong aren't Southeast Asian countries, so the point isn't about excluding Japan. I wouldn't pay much attention to these totals at all anyway, since numbers for both Europe and Latin America are wrong. Let's just stick to known facts / certifications, and they completely rule out 1.68m sales in Southeast Asia alone for BOMT by April 2000. Even if you use one certification ahead of the listed cert for each country, you don't reach this number!
well according to Billboard magazine the Asia-Pacific region remarks the 11 markets in Asia (Southeast Asia plus Japan, China and India)
https://books.google.com/books?hl=zh-CN&id=SA0EAAAAMBAJ&dq=asia+pacific+billboard+sales+means+southeast+asia&q=linkin+park+1.2+million#v=snippet&q=linkin%20park%201.2%20million&f=false
There were 11 national flags on it. Don't know if it was the same in the promo book. But didn't Billboard often report Southeast Asian sales as Asia-Pacific regional sales?
Hi djdj!
Well there is no reason to expect the promo book to follow Billboard, and Billboard themselves happened to change what they meant by Asia-Pacific and Southeast Asia through their articles. They used the latter way more often yet, they rarely ever spoke about Asia-Pacific sales. What's safe is that without sales from Japan / Australia we can't get even close to 1.68 million sales in Asia for BOMT.
If you guys work with shipments then why Femme Fatale is at 850k? It was platinum by RIAA
It was not completely safe.
https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=UBAEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA58&lpg=PA58&dq=utada+first+love+china+200000+legitimate+copies&source=bl&ots=BWynkzCYhw&sig=ACfU3U0LNE0VTVEb-j_JCv_02U-DuD-VrA&hl=zh-CN&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiFxoGwio_kAhVm_XMBHUBLASgQ6AEwCnoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=utada%20first%20love%20china%20200000%20legitimate%20copies&f=false
First Love by Utada Hikaru sold 200k legitimate copies in China. Since BOMT was more popular than First Love in China, in my opinion, BOMT may also sold something high like that. Plus imports in countries like Vietnam (Brintey was massive there, check YouTube Music Insights), that is still possible.
Hi Brit!
We work with net shipment to date. At times, albums fail to sell their initial shipment and many copies are returned to the label. If the certification was requested before returns, an album may get a Plat disc in spite of having updated net shipments under the million mark. To limit this effect, the RIAA already implemented a rule that forbids certs in the first month of release. That's the exact reason why FF was certified on 29/4 while released on 29/3, because they had got that million shipped so they quickly got it awarded as they knew they were going to get a lot of returns soon enough!
Hello MJD,
I just noticed something. Why are ITZ's sales in India back to 5,000 copies? I thought they had been fixed to 25,000?
https://chartmasters.org/2017/05/bonus-gift-the-truth-about-britney-spears-album-sales-part-2/12/
Thanks.
I wonder where the sales in Brazil come from ? Similarly, there are the Philippines, Indonesia, Thailand and Malaysia. 'Baby one more time.....' actually certified a gold, 10W+ in Brazil , and 37.5W+ in Mexico. Most Asian countries don't have a ranking list or certification at all, if it's just provided by fans, the data is very questionable.
Hi ChartMasters, any reason as to why you are not counting vinyl sales? In the Zone is the 37th best selling album this week in America because of vinyl sales. I think they need to be accounted for. 5 000 vinyls sold. Cheers. Eternium.
Oops I Did It Again and Britney sold 5. 000 vinyl copies each this year too and charted on Billboard. Eternium.
Are you from China? Since you used "W" for numbers and know these certifications, I bet you are even from Baidu Tieba. Well,I know how MJD calculated these figures, they were all provived by official sources. There were nothing questionable.
Hi Eternium!
Vinyl sales are obviously counted - all pre-90s albums which sold tens of millions would be nowhere near as high without this format!
Hello MJD,
I think you made a mistake with ITZ's sales in India. You previously fixed them to 25,000 copies, but here they are back to 5,000. Why is that?
https://chartmasters.org/2017/05/bonus-gift-the-truth-about-britney-spears-album-sales-part-2/12/
Can you please look into it? If you do, please consider updating its sales in the US, too. After this update, the album got re-issued on vinyl after on two different occasions for a total of 8,000 copies. Surely 7 million is a more realistic figure now.
https://www.urbanoutfitters.com/shop/britney-spears-in-the-zone-limited-lp2 (5,000)
https://www.urbanoutfitters.com/shop/britney-spears-in-the-zone-limited-lp-clear (3,000)
Thank you for your valuable hard work. 🙂
So, where is the certification? What I need is not ‘provived by official sources’ but reliable source.
In fact, although I hate fans‘exaggeration, as long as the data is true, it can be accepted.
Can 'Britney promo book' be a reliable resource? Jive once claimed that BOMT had sold 27 million copies . It seems that you‘re used to regarding news or announcement by record company as certification . More than that, ‘Since BOMT was more popular than First Love in China’, you even estimate sales based on your emotions . I guess you should be a Chinese fan of Ayxxx, Mxxxx and Britney, is that right? You also try to evaluate the previous popularity based on current popularity ( YouTube), it's another mistake since popularity may not decline synchronously. In addition, you may not have to ask questions here with two IDs, 'but'&'djdj'.
"but" is not me, and it was really no doubt that BOMT was more popular than First Love in China, even on streaming platforms. A normal Chinese can naturely feel it. I never estimated sales based on emotions, it was just a fact. The YouTube Charts did evaluate popularity though, although popularity may not decline synchronously, but it was still a valuable source and it did evaluate catalog popularity. I am not a fan of Britney though, I am Madonna's fan. You should understand that record company don't lie and inflate sales in the past, BOMT was actually reported as a 22 million seller and OIDA at 17 million. Record company is the only very reliable source, because that's what IFPI report. IFPI reports are all from record company sources. What you read inflate sales now were just to promote the artist, in fact record company itself never lie to IFPI, and in the past they don't lie too. They only lie to media to the people at present. It is very important to find real record company figures, because it is the only reliable source.
