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I get it. Here it's something generational... young people listen only to reggaeton/trap. People older than 30 Y.O. usually don't understand it and say music from the (insert the decade you want, 80s, 90s, etc) was better, they played instruments, they sang, blah blah blah...
What I meant is that here, that music is everywhere that it becomes background music even if you don't like it. It's massive.
Yes, I think the streaming numbers for some of those Latin artists demonstrates just how outstandingly popular it is.
Music wise, it's not so much a generational thing for me (although that does slightly factor into it) and I have no issues with artists who don't play "proper instruments", as I love a lot of techno, rave, ambient, trance, EDM etc.
Also, maybe the generational thing swings both ways, as it doesn't seem as though those artists, given their lyrics, visual imagery etc says much about or to older generations, whereas artists like say Adele or Coldplay are more fluid and neutral (and always have been) and their lyrics and visual imagery resonates with people of all ages, both young and old.
For me, it's probably more a geographical/language and style/genre thing, as well as preferring straight forward singing (in English), than rapping/talking.
Personally, I don't go for that, "music was better in the 60s, 70s, 80s or 90s" thing, I just prefer music from that period, I don't class it as better.
"Disparaging comment" ? Relax dude, I literally just asked for evidence...
Soundscan numbers for Deep Purple (2006) :
Machine Head - 325k
Made In Japan - 125k
In Rock - 45k
So about 5-6 times less than Sabbath, in the UK it's close when it comes to studio albums but Purple's compilations sold less.
If "Sabbaths star had fallen considerably” I guess Purple's star was buried deep into the ground 😉
Anyway, I totally disagree with this idea that Sabbath had somehow become irrelevant in the 80s and 90s, especially with Ozzy freaking Osborne being highly successful at the time and as I said tons of famous bands praising their music.
And whether you like it or not, they are considered to be the first metal band, which I think explain to a large extent their better longevity compared to Deep Purple.
"I’d really like to know what evidence you’re basing this on", comes across as "I think you're taking crap and I don't believe you, so prove it".
I've got no agenda with this, I'm just stating what I believe to be true and for the most part what is true, you seem be coming at this as a fan of Sabbath and trying to defend them.
You wanted evidence about Sabbaths catalogue sales not exactly being fantastic and I provided it. You clearly didn't like the evidence I provided, so now you're giving it some kind of childish "well at least they are better than Purples" and turning it into some kind of competition between the two. The point was about Sabbaths catalogue sales, not how they stand up against Purples.
I never said they'd become irrelevant, I said their star had fallen considerably in the 80s/90s (from their 70s peak). Whether you totally disagree or not is irrelevant because it's true and mentioning them as an influence and praising them (ala Sex Pistols, Velvet Underground) has nothing to do with how successful they were in the 80s/90s. If their star was still burning bright, their sales wouldn't have been as low and poor as they were in the 80s/90s and even you agreed that nobody cared about their 80s/90s stuff.
Even Ozzy was hardly a huge and successful worldwide star in the 80s. He done reasonably well in the US but he was not exactly doing stunning business or charting that well in most other territories. Certainly in the UK (in the 80s) he was more renowned for his madman behaviour than his music.
I don't know what age you are but It just sounds like you're a fan, who has some misty eyed romanticism about them and him and thinks they were both so much bigger and more prevalent than they actually were back in the 80s/90s.
I'll give you that people do generally rate them as the first Metal band, even though they never seen themselves as as a Metal band, mainly because the term never really existed back then, they seen themselves as a heavy/hard rock band.
And if the Metal thing and being so influential is the reason why time has been so kind to them, why are Zeppelin so much more popular than them, considering they are just another hard rock band, like Purple.
"I never said they’d become irrelevant, I said their star had fallen considerably in the 80s/90s"
Please... You even said :
"In the 80s Sabbath kind of died a death, nobody really seemed to care about them much anymore"
That doesn't mean "irrelevant" to you ?
It's like when I said this discussion is about Sabbath's longevity vs. Purple's and you said "no it's about how time has been kinder to Sabbath than Purple"... What's the difference exactly ?
I still don't get why you're mentioning the post-Ozzy albums, why you're downplaying his success (he did "reasonably well" in the US, right 40 million albums while Purple sold 15 million) or why you don't see how young people would be more interested in the original metal band as opposed to just another hard rock band, but I'm honestly bored with this so let's just agree to totally disagree...
And no, I'm not even a Sabbath fan, I just think you're wrong.
For gods sake, you're just being ridiculous now.
In the 80s, certainly after Dio left, who'd injected a bit of life into them again, after the debacle of the later years with Ozzy, they died a death, nobody cared about them as an ongoing concern, they became a bit of a joke with different musicians on each album, even different musicians on the same album.
They were not irrelevant per se, as people did still value their early work to some extent but they were irrelevant as a current, ongoing entity, which clearly did have some effect on their overall popularity.
Why would you not mention their later stuff, it was still Black Sabbath, it's still part of their catalogue!
I'm not downplaying his success, I'm being honest about it. He quite clearly didn't sell 40m albums in the 80s, from 7 releases he sold around 10m-12m albums in the US in the 80s, which clearly isn't bad but it is a long way from being huge, as you said.
Thank god you're bored, if only you'd been bored from the beginning.
Hi Rodolfo!
Works on Deep Purple are now moving forward fast. I expect to finish their estimates at some point next week, then add in a pair of days to check back everything and write the article!
After that, I may move into some days of development to fix the few annoying glitches which keep happening, before completing the next big CSPC.
We may sneak in one or two CSPC light in-between these tasks as they really take little time and keep the website active.
I’m not sure if it’s more a US ratio that’s needed (because of the 48 percent)
or a Europe ratio (as Spotify is proportionally bigger in europe)
hello, excellent job, could you study Gloria Estefan, between Gloria and Shakira, who is the best-selling Latin artist of all time.
Santana might qualify as the "best-selling Latin artist of all time", as for Gloria vs Shakira I think Gloria might be a little above.
Hi Binderella!
When needed we do set up dedicated ratios, we did it for French and Japanese artists as well, using market data as well as local SPS figures. I checked several times the case of Drake and he has always been spot on with our figures. Only 1st week streams tend to be more AM-music heavy, so upon release our ratios are slightly too low, but that's true for all.
We usually consider rap singers to be bigger on AM, but we forget that even for them the US isn't that dominant anymore of a market, while outside of the US Spotify is usually their best platform because it is the most international streaming platform.
Artists with very little reach abroad relatively speaking, say Lil Baby or Rod Wave, a specific ratio may be useful. So far we never needed it though, it's unlikely we would need one either as once the artists get worthy enough to analyze, they usually broke over a larger audience globally, getting close to the standard ratio.
This being said, the gap with the current ratio is overstated by AM album rankings. To be clear, these rankings are nonsense, as shown by the position of Summer Walker. Unlike Spotify rankings, they do not add all streams of the songs from the album. If you stream the single Don't Start Now, Physical or Levitating, your streams aren't added to FN plays. If there are several versions of one album, streams may also be divided. At the end of the day, their ranking reflects more how they deal with their IDs than how strongly an album is streamed!
can’t wait for Deep Purple! I would suggest riding artists like The Kid Laroi, Lil Nas X and Doja Cat for the CSPC Light
Hi obro!
To keep you updated, the good news is that we are done with Deep Purple album sales. The bad news though is that no less than 140 compilations / live albums from their members' remaining records use their songs from Deep Purple's days, so we need to estimate these too. The large majority are local releases so that will be fast, but we will still shot a Light CSPC while waiting for that to be fully completed! We will post Juice WRLD since he is the largest streamer of the pack!
Wow that’s a lot of album… good luck!
I only no a few Juice Wrld songs and I do quite like them so I’m excited for that article, although I imagine a large % of his sales will be Spotify streams anyway
I actually have a question, now that you’re doing light CSPC’s does that mean updates of big artists in between legacy act CSPC’s will be less frequent such as Ariana Grande (as she’s about to hit 50m) or others who have released this year or are releasing like Justin, Ed and Bruno, or even artists who could potentially have had light CSPC but have already been studied (Billie and Dua)
Of course we will continue to update these! All works done in recent times aim to make these updates/new posts easier, so that we can publish more and more. It's a bit frustrating for us at the moment because a large chunk of our work is done off the radar, but hopefully results will start to pop up soon.
Speaking about this, a significant update that may be very appreciated will be posted very soon 😉
Thank you for updating! Do you mean that this huge study on Deep Purple's sales will end up until this month? Greetings and take care
Will this artist have any problems to double that CSPC number in his career? Is Bad Bunny already guaranteed a 70-80 Million CSPC career?
Ifpi need to transparent with their data as he can't even make top 10 with such huge streaming stats. Either his label don't send or they downweight by pricing. He is selling out a whole stadium tour. He is huge
I'm quite sure he's reported considering he's under a major label and appeared on the streaming only chart last year.
They weigh the streaming units by revenue it seems. Although he's getting a crazy amount of streams is the average revenue per stream in Latin America very low compared to the US and Europe still.
Yes thnx. Same reason dua isn't making artist list, despite making both singles and album list in 2020 and 2021. As she is huge in latin America and major portion come from that. But artists having more success in USA still makes it over her or asian artists make it over these 2 because records are expensive in japan and korea. Revenue is definitely factored, because in 2020 a 40 million chinese single was just number 7 on ifpi. So they downweighted chinese sales.
He's coming for drake's stream EAS. His current numbers are crazy and he has yet to drop a new album
So Bad Bunny has already gained 5 million EAS in the 2 months since this article was written. Of course streams of Un Verano Sin Ti will slow down eventually, but at the rate he's going he'll surpass the CSPC totals of Enrique Iglesias and Shakira in 2023, especially if he keeps releasing new material. How much farther does he have to go to before becoming the top-selling Latin act ever?
And when will this insane streaming of his last album stop? He will be the most-streamed album of all time. Who would have thought?
