CSPC: Celine Dion Popularity Analysis

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Titanic Controversy: In And Out Celine Dion scope

More than debates around exact sales of her albums, the main subject of controversy around her relates to Titanic Soundtrack. A seller as big as the Falling Into You / Let’s Talk About Love pair, the record isn’t counted as part of Celine Dion discography despite the cult lead single My Heart Will Go On. I strongly defend this exclusion, a few of the reasons are listed below.

I) It is a James Horner album

Although Celine Dion was the singer of the single, she was part of nothing else from the album. That record featured 15 tracks, 14 instrumentals, all of them composed by James HornerMy Heart Will Go On itself was written and produced by the famous composer.

II) The song was included into Let’s Talk About Love

A strong argument to defend the inclusion in some way of Titanic into Celine Dion discography is to say buyers went for the single only. That argument would be valid if My Heart Will Go On wasn’t also included into Let’s Talk About Love. In fact, if the consumer wanted the single only because of Celine Dion, he would have pick her album rather than the Soundtrack.

III) Titanic was just utterly massive

Everything surrounding the movie in 1998 was just record breaking. The movie, the VHS, TV Viewers, magazines, posters, Leonardo DiCaprio… every little item linked with the Titanic was selling like hell. The phenomenon was way, way, way bigger than just a song, inclusively way bigger than Celine Dion herself at that point.

IV) It would be double counting

Looking in details Titanic and Let’s Talk About Love sales in various markets give two definitive arguments against the inclusion of Titanic  – in full or a share of it – into Celine Dion records. The main one is that both albums sold up to the market limit for international albums in most countries over a period of a few months only. In other words, most people who bought Let’s Talk About Love and Titanic are in common, which implies a clear case of massive double counting plus shows very well the explicit desire to buy the soundtrack as many buyers owned already the single from an other support.

V) Titanic helped Celine Dion as much as the other way around

In spite of her outstanding results, Celine Dion sales in Latin America were still relatively weak in Latin America and in various European markets. Thanks to the Titanic movie, she ended crossing over the general public in most countries she was failing to up to that date.

VI) Outside MHWGO, Titanic tops Let’s Talk About Love

“Nobody cared about those instrumentals, they bought Titanic only for Celine Dion song” is what we hear. We will forget My Heart Will Go On song for a minute and check the remaining songs from both albums. Well, as unreal as it may seem, while the rest of Let’s Talk About Love songs – which includes Barbra Streisand and Bee Gees duets Tell Him and Immortality – add for 22 million streams at Spotify, instrumentals of Titanic Soundtrack combine for 35 million streams, 60% more. This is a fact true in 2016, now that the movie hype is long gone, while Celine Dion continued active up to date. Those figures suggest the public was indeed interested more by the Soundtrack than just the single, which explains why Titanic was the clear #1 for several months over Let’s Talk About Love in most countries.

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Fluffers

Her early french catalogue doing 3.5M seems rather excessive and I cant find these numbers being broken down until the final chart. Where do they come from?

Nicholashurry

How many copies have been sold in UK as of 2016?

francis

It’s been around 5 years since Celine Dion has been updated. Encore Un Soir sales needs an update and she has a new album out already in 2019.

Nicholashurry

They seem never care about Celine’s numbers.

Martin

Let’s face it, she neither streams or sells fantastically well and hasn’t for many, many years now. So, why would we specifically concentrate on and update an artist that in all likelihood, has not really added a great amount to her 2016 total. On top of that, there are many other artists who have also not been updated since 2016, such as The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, U2, Fleetwood Mac, Bon Jovi, ABBA etc and many from subsequent years, that have added more to their totals, in a shorter space of time. We get you are fans and mainly care… Read more »

Last edited 2 months ago by Martin
francis

You sound rude. I am just asking kindly. Encore Un Soir has sold more than 800k now and has released a new English studio album in 2019 that sold 500k in less than two months. It may be little to you, but a pretty update would make us happy.

Martin

I’d say blunt and honest, rather than rude and given that it was suggested that we do not (specifically) care about Celine Dions numbers, can you blame me?

No consideration was given to the fact that numerous artists (from 2016) have not been updated either, yet somehow it’s just Celines numbers we do not care about!

pat200

I agree with Martin. Celine is my favorite artist ever but she barely added what, 4 million tops since 2016? I would rather see new legends being studied, new big artists being studied or older artists that are streaming like hotcakes studied.

Martin

Thank you Pat. It just grates on us, that some fans have this perception that we are anti their favourite artist and call us out as such, just because their favourite has not been updated, since their original analysis. They fail to appreciate or more likely care (unlike yourself), that other acts, who have potentially added more to their totals, have also not been updated. Perversely, it almost always seems to be fans of female acts, that level these accusations at us. On top of all that, as MJD has stated many times, it is an extremely arduous process, that… Read more »

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Thomas Christiansen

My favorite Celine Dion song was always “Think Twice”. As a European it baffles me that it flopped in many other parts of the world. As a UK #1 it barely made it to the Billboard Hot 100. Obviously it was included on the European version of “All the Way a Decade of Songs”, but not the US (and most other) versions. Today, on Spotify the song is NOT included on that album (not in my region anyway) – I suppose that could hurt it’s streaming results a bit. Then again neither is “All By Myself”, and that one’s doing… Read more »

Jake

She has very few global hit, but many songs that were hits on different continents.

Her only global hits are the Titanic song, All by Myself, Its coming back to me now and Because you loved me.

Nicholashurry

the power of love/tell him/Im ur angel/Beauty and the beast/That’s the way it is/Im alive

Jason

The power of love wasn’t a hit in Europe for her. It peaked at 25. The original one was a big hit instead.

Jazz

She had many global hits. She is an adult contemporary singer and her fans tends to purchase albums rather than singles. Which is why her singles charts were somewhat poor. The Power of Love was a big hit and that song was the reason why the album sold like hot cakes in Europe. Somebody like Backstreet Boys or Britney Spears might have far better singles chart runs in Europe compared to her, doesnt mean they are in anyway “much” bigger than her in that region. Honestly you cant sell that many albums globally without having multiple hit singles. Whose gonna… Read more »

Last edited 2 months ago by Jazz
Martin

Acts such as Led Zeppelin, Metallica, AC/DC, Pink Floyd etc, clearly prove that hit singles, let alone multiple hit singles, are not a prerequisite for huge album sales.

Last edited 2 months ago by Martin
Analord

“The Power of Love was a big hit and that song was the reason why the album sold like hot cakes in Europe.”

Think Twice was a much bigger hit than The Power Of Love in Europe, especially in the UK.

I’m not sure what “global hit” means but songs like That’s The Way It Is or I’m Your Angel were major hits in the US and in Europe so they probably qualify as “global hits”…

Jazz

Again strong single chart runs doesnt mean it is stronger than the other ones. To me Think Twice did well chart wise because people dont really know who Celine Dion was at that time. They were hesitant to buy her album therefore they purchase her single instead of her album. Her album Unison hardly sold a thing at that time. So clearly people purchase her single instead of album. By the time The Power of Love was released, she already had a couple of moderate hits such as Beauty & The Beast, Where Does My Heart Beats Now and off… Read more »

Analord

Sorry but I’ve no idea what you’re talking about… You seem to think that The Power Of Love was released after Think Twice ? Actually it was released in january 94 and Think Twice in october 94, i.e. when the album started selling significantly.

Jazz

Oh didnt noticed your reply. Hmm yeah, I thought Think Twice was released first. That seems a bit weird. Maybe the single was indeed much bigger than The Power of Love after all in Europe

francis

I think it’s time we get Celines page updated already. EUS should be higher and Courage sales as well.

Nick

Is there something up with Celine’s page on youtube charts? It’s saying in the past 28 days, My Heart will Go On is her number one video with 26.6 million views. But when you click on the link, the video only has 2.2 million views.
https://charts.youtube.com/artist/%2Fm%2F01cwhp

francis

MJD, it’s been 4 years since this page was updated. Can we get a Céline Dion page updated some time soon? 😊

pats200

MJD i have a small question: the youtube streaming numbers for a particular song are only from the youtube link found on that artist’s vevo account or does it add all the songs (or as many as possible) on youtube for this song (coming from multiple fan accounts for example)

Nightporter

“Given respective markets, 4,21 million in France equals to some 34 million units in the US, more than what Michael Jackson‘s Thriller did.” Hmmm… France’s population is about 1/5 of the US population, so 4 million in France would be more like 20 million in the US. And if by “markets” you’re referring to total album sales in the US vs. France, well that just means music is more popular in the US than in France. As for Celine, I wonder where she would rank in the list of most successful artists ever in France ? Johnny Hallyday is clearly… Read more »

Jazz

Not as simple as 1/5. You need to consider purchasing power as well. For example in 2002 the US market sold 800 million CD but the French sold 130 million CD. So that is more than 6 times not 5 times. And need to also consider that maybe the French market was even smaller proportionately compared to the US back when Deux was released.

Analord

“Purchasing power” ? Do you think the UK has more “purchasing power” than France because they have a bigger music market ?

Jazz

In terms of the music industry. Yes they have bigger purchasing power. Thats what the data says. Not me. 🙄🙄🙄

Analord

They have “bigger purchasing power in terms of the music industry” ? What ? I honestly have no idea what you’re saying…

Definition of purchasing power :
1 : the amount of money that a person or group has available to spend
Inflation decreases consumer purchasing power.
2 : the value of money thought of as how much it can buy
a decline in the purchasing power of the dollar

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Sonique

Maybe what he meant is that people in the bigger music markets tend to buy more music compared to others

Jazz

What is it that u dont get? I already said that Americans purchase more albums than the French per person and that your argument that simply dividing the populations should represents that Deux is not as big as Thriller is in the US are false. Americans have bigger music consumption then the French per person when it comes to music consumption, a.k.a bigger purchasing power when it comes to the music industry. So your claim that because American population is only 5 times bigger than the French we should simply multiply Deux sales by 5 to have an equivalence to… Read more »

Last edited 17 days ago by Jazz
Analord

OK, let me try to understand… You’re saying that “Americans purchase more albums than the French per person”, and for some reason you’re calling this “purchasing power”.

So here’s a simple question : why do you think Americans purchase more albums than the French ? Just to remind you, the original post was saying it’s because “music is more popular in the US than in France”.

Jazz

Well it is true. According to GDP Purchasing Power Parity Americans have bigger spending power. Its like saying, an xx race have bigger spending/purchasing/buying power than yy race. What is so wrong with that statement? And since u said Americans are more into music, it means Americans have bigger spending power over music consumption. So whats the big deal? I dont get it. I cant believe u r dragging some ridiculous stuff and try to twist my words. Over something as silly as this. You already got my point. No need to long prolong this conersation.

Last edited 13 days ago by Jazz
Analord

I’m sorry but you’re not making any sense… As I said above, the UK has (and always had) a bigger music market than France and their GDP is the same. How do you explain that ?

Jazz

Thats why I said the British have bigger spending power when it comes to music consumption despite their similar GDP. And its not as simple as, to quote u

“France’s population is about 1/5 of the US population, so 4 million in France would be more like 20 million in the US. ”

The only person that doesnt make sense here is you. You know your original statement was wrong and you purposely try to twist my word just because u want to have the last word.

Analord

“Thats why I said the British have bigger spending power when it comes to music consumption despite their similar GDP.” What ?? You never mentioned the British or their similar GDP 😆 OK I think I’m done here, let’s just end this boring and frustrating discussion… By the way, you don’t understand what “GDP per capita” and “Purchasing Power Parity” mean, they have nothing to do with the purchasing power of individuals, they’re just tools to compare national economies. I mean, surely you don’t believe that the average Chinese person has eight times more purchasing power than the average French… Read more »

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